Blog-ish news scoop
In a somewhat blog-like news post, I'll try to cover what we have been up to, but also answer some questions I see again and again (consider this something between a news post and a faq).
Let's get the obvious out of the way. There were no releases for March (except for Windows Vista, which was prepared by Renato a.k.a. Gandolas). We will go directly to April. And yes, the April releases will all be Full. The released date is set to April WID, 2007. WID being When It's Done. We do our best and hope to have it ready as early as possible, but honestly, we cannot set a deadline.
I have moved back to Athens for Easter. No worries, I brought my laptop (which carries AutoPatcher-related files) with me, so I can work on AutoPatcher. So far I have fixed a handful of bugs. The most important is no-doubt the Office detection under Windows 2000. We still have to test a few Office applications to see if they are detected correctly. My goal is to support all versions of Office from 97 to 2007. So far the only version of Office to pass the detection test 100% has been Office 2007. Office 97 has not been tested at all yet (I guess very few still have it or even use it).
People have been asking about including MsgPlus, yet again. As I stated in the forum, as long as MsgPlus bundles sponsor software, we will not even consider including it. Somebody mentioned a possible switch from sponsor to mailing lists, which in my opinion doesn't help much. So let's define the type of applications which are not include-able:
Any application which includes or offers to install adware, spyware, spamware, sponsors or malware, regardless of the default settings, will not be ever considered for inclusion in AutoPatcher.
I remember a long time ago, I saw a screenshot of MsgPlus' installation. I noticed there were two buttons on the sponsor screen. One read "I refuse to give my support". If giving my support to MsgPlus means for me to install crap on my computer, then hell no! Why does the author tie 'support' to 'crapware'? I think donations are much better than bundling junk. It may not bring as much money, but at least it's honest. Also, you know that whoever donated, really appreciates your work.
Let us know what you think.
As always, not a month can go by without weird hardware glitches (consider this my personal rant of the month).
My father bought a new 250GB drive for his computer. A Western Digital WD2500KS. Since the computer has had its share of layer-eight problems (no doubt caused by the unique ability of its users to turn any computer into a worthless piece of hardware sucking up electricity for no good reason), I decided to go for a format. The computer's case has been open for ages (though I never understood why). While connecting the new HDD, I noticed that the fan on the graphics card (ATI 9800SE) was broken as if somebody had been slamming it with a hammer for hours. I'll come to this later. The new hard disk (the WD2500KS) would gracefully appear in the BIOS, but Windows couldn't be bothered. I ended up disconnecting the drive and downloading a BIOS update for the troublemaker Asus P4P800S-X motherboard. Now every piece of hardware was happy. Except for the ATI card. I ended up replacing the whole heatsink-fan combo with an after-market Zalman. This was no easy task, since I had to literally break the thermal grease ATI had used. At least everything is back to normal now. Lesson learned.
Best regards,
Antonis Kaladis (a.k.a. Raptor)

April 8th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Hi did you need drivers for that WD2500KS (did you connect it to a RAID port, for example?
The fans on GPU’s seem to go wrong before CPU,PSU and even case fans
I worked on some Dell “Workstations” and thay crashed when running 3D! Guess why!
Good luck with Autopatcher saves me enough time to send random E-Mails like this! :)
April 8th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
No, the motherboard has no RAID controller, so no drivers were needed.
Interestingly my old Ti4400 has never had such issues, and I have had it since around 2002…
I hate it when hardware causes trouble. Lately I seem to be getting a lot of it!
April 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Re.: MsgPlus
Antonis, I commend your stand on adware/malware in all its various flavours. In my humble opinion, any program or application that uses that kind of sponsors does not deserve AutoPatcher’s support.
April 9th, 2007 at 3:04 am
Being a long time reader of the newsgroups and an AP user for over a year now, i finaly got around to express my gratitude here.
AP is a wonderfull solution. One that Microsoft has failed to copy as they did with many solutions that were invented by others.
My struggle for keeping ad and spyware out of my system led me to Hitman Pro, a dutch guy wrote this shell around several trusted anti ad and spyware programs (he wrote CWS shredder himself) wich is -i think- a must have for every Windows user these days. Maybe an idea to incorporate something like that into AP instead of the crappy Microsoft antispyware attempts?
As for hardware, hey… shit happens and needs to be fixed *wink*
Keep up th efforts guys! From what i read so far the 5.6 issue is a MAJOR overhaul that ould even justify a version name like 6.0!!!
Cheers!
Henk
April 9th, 2007 at 5:50 am
omg lols :D autopatcher dead …
April 9th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Hi, Raptor.
I’m a English(US) -> Portuguese (Brazil) freelance translator and I’d really like to be a part of this amazing Autopatcher project. For sure I’ve downloaded and installed it saving me a huge time looking for pieces of information and tweaking and remedial software.
In case you need someone to translate into Brazilian Portuguese, I’ll be glad to help.
You’ll find my e-mail at this comment, so when you have chance or even interest, just write me back.
Thanks for you time.
Sidney (Rio de Janeiro - Brazil)
April 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Antonis,
Thanks for the hard work.
Hardware is being put together quicker, cheaper, faster, and with less QA and testing.
We are all getting lower overall quality for sure.
Many problems like you experienced with hardware were not as common or frequent in times past.
I am going through similar hardware plug and play and play and play and pray for no good reason.
As a support person - I can only tell you what my users tell me - they could never figure this out on their own or get it to work.
More and more I find it a struggle to make things work even when you know how.
AP certainly helps make some of the pain go away.
Thanks!
April 9th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Sidney, Renato Ribeiro has taken care of portuguese (portugal) releases for some time now and protuguese (brazil) ones are now taken care of by a member of the forum called ’supermouse’ if i am not mistaken.
Bohdan Rudy, I guess I am lucky to have been involved with computers from an early age. I may be 20, but I grew up with ms dos and even lived to see an apple ii on my desk. Sometimes I miss those days.
April 9th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
I have a P4P800S motherboard in my desktop, I had some trouble getting it to read LBA48 hard drives (over 137gb for those of you that might not know that) until I put the latest BIOS on it and it has been working fine ever since.
I also know one of my buddies had a Radeon 9800SE that the fan went bad on. He tore off the stock one and took a standard 80mm case fan and rigged it to the card with hot glue. It seemed to work after that.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Antonis, I’m also a freelance translator and if you need, I’ll certainly be very glad to help, just like Sidney.
I’m sure that you have a HUGE amount of Autopatcher fans throughout the world!
Thank you for all your hard work, and if you need my assistance in translating I’ll be around to help.
Thanks for your attention…
R. Carvalho - Belo Horizonte - Brazil
April 9th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Antonis,
I am a little older, I grew up with a Digital PDP 8-E ;)
I loved apple when they were young (before they fired steve jobs).
They were truly quality conscious at first.
All the macs up to about the MAC FX always ran all the older software. They did regression testing and QA on all the previous machines to assure compatibility.
Then a little later someone decided that QA cost money - they stopped doing the regression testing and fired most of their QA department.
It was a quite noticeable loss.
When steve made it back to apple he did not improve things.
MAC OSX started to take on the just good enough - let’s ship it characteristics.
Microsoft always worked on it’s just good enough - let’s ship it way of business. Note - not when it’s done, not when it works, but when people won’t get mad enough to not to buy it because it’s good enough.
This has also happened to dell which was at one time a press dolly for quality and support.
I bring customer’s dead dell’s back from death - if it is possible.
They no longer have that same image in the press. In fact the press recently has said that is one reason why dell’s sales numbers have been slipping. I have some horror stories there.
For my self, I bought a dell professional workstation about five years back. It was heavily discounted with corporate and additional savings on top. My experience was not pleasant.
I have built my own systems since. I also do this for friends and others. At least the components are of a known presumed quality and you can fix them when you need to.
My XPC is two years old now and has been running pretty much 7 x 24 for over two years now with no problems.
Similar systems I have built for friends also have had no problems.
But I have seen a general trend in the industry to be just good enough to pass one over on the customer.
Bling Bling - instead of the quality thing.
So, as goggle has found your hard drive from any manufacturer is probably going to fail in year 3. They collected statistics at their data centers on this. I don’t think this is just by chance.
I have a background in real time and high availability systems. I can tell you that it is possible to build good systems that do work for a good period of time. But that is not what the industry is really about these days.
My official term for the bizarre support citations that occur is “THE TWILIGHT ZONE SYNDROME.” You can just hear the music playing as you spend hours fixing that just good enough junks someone decided to sell and ship you.
SORRY for the rant - I am fixing one of those “TWILIGHT ZONE SYNDROME” PCs today.
Take care, and thanks again.
Bohdan —> in the USA, the garden state NJ :)
April 10th, 2007 at 12:23 am
Problems with most oem/out-of the box products that include fans, is that the use cheap sleeve-baring fans in stead of the more durable ball-bearing fans. Sleeve bearing fans live appoximate one year. I have a customer with an external backup tape unit from seagate which contains a sleeve-bearing fan. And every 9 to 12 months I had to invoke warranty ( 3years ) and get it fixed. Until after warranty period and I the replaced the fan for proper ball-bearing fan, no more problems since then.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:26 am
With regard to Office 97; apart from a Jet Database upgrade I thought that all the other patches were included in Office SP1 & SP2 (but I could very well be wrong) so there may be limited point in preparing AP for Office 97.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
No need to apologize ~ EVER !!!
You guys are doing gazilions of us a HUGE favor with AutoPatcher … in any form or release. I have recommended AutoPatcher to every one I’ve ever talked to who has ever had to reload XP (everybody ? at least a few times) … therefore everyone who knows a bit more than where the “on / off” switch and keyboard is on a computer.
The fact that you are including Office 2003 / 2007 is a God send also. Consider this the ultimate virtual ass kiss !!!
PS: No need to worry guys; I’m straight & always will be ….
April 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Hmm, now if only you could come up with a “Patch” or “Innoculation” for the whiners, fools, idiots, flamers, and dumb asses that bug you on this site.
All Hail the AutoPatcher Team !!!!
One Very Thankful Dude
April 10th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Thanks for you response, Antonis. I’ll manage to find ’supermouse’ over the forum.
I might also get in touch with Rômulo Carvalho - a.k.a. Ryushin in order to increase efforts in making Autopatcher even bigger than it is now, even translating, proofreading or just spreading the word (the last part we certainly do).
Anyway and once again: Thanks for your effort.
Another Very Thankful Dude (may I use it, Mark?) ;)
April 11th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I Dont see the need to add support for Office 97, it is 10 years old now. If not office 2003, most of the people have updated to 2000 or XP, so i believe you should leave the trouble for now, since you are already spending most of your holidays on upgrading Autopatcher!!
April 11th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
The removal of epoxied on heatsinks can be greatly accelerated by putting the vid card in a ziplock bag and freezing it overnight…they’ll usually just snap right off wqhen frozen, and a light sanding with 400 grit wet or dry sandpaper will remove what’s left.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:56 am
We have had our share of people who still have office 97 how do I get on the beta list so I can send some feedback?
Thanks for the great work!
April 12th, 2007 at 9:00 am
right now we need people who will work on the releases, beta testers will be needed when there’s something to test. i’ll write a php script (as soon as i can find some time) which you can use to ‘register’ in a team. more info when i have it ready :)
April 13th, 2007 at 5:29 am
Windows vista, office update… hahaha so when will keep your windows up to date stops nagging us. will there be an official sp3 release for winxp?
April 14th, 2007 at 7:13 am
Like many others, I must start by expressing thanks for your work on this task.
Secondly my support also for your stand on adware/malware. Many do not understand that it is MY PC, it does not belong to any of my suppliers!
I too am an Office 97 user. Is there anything I can do to assist? If you do not include support, what will not be accessible?
April 14th, 2007 at 8:37 am
Jeff, as far as Office 97 goes, I’m glad to inform you that detection support for the major applications (e.g. Word, Excel etc) has been implemented. This means that people will be able to write proper (=which will load only when applicable) modules for Office 97. Not sure if there are any post-service-pack patches for Office 97 out there, or if there is a need for a full blown Office 97 release, but that is something that Office 97 owners should know.
Antonis
April 14th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
No worries on no March release, I can hold out until “April WID”.
I also commend the AutoPatcher group for its stance on adware and similar programs. I use a couple such programs separate from AutoPatcher, but I know when and where to uncheck the box to keep my system clean. I feel sorry for those who don’t.
This would be my first time posting a comment, but I’ve been using AutoPatcher for a couple years now, I think. Even though I’m on dialup, I dedicate a day or two of bandwidth to Torrent the releases as soon as they become available - I check at least once a week, and I reformat/reinstall a few times a year (either due to problems or just to keep my system running smoothly). AP keeps my system up to date, and adds a few nice features as well (PowerMenu, I think it’s called, for example).
Keep up the good work.
Nathan
April 25th, 2007 at 9:02 am
THANK YOU!
I support appx. 500 XP machines with a pretty substantial personnel turnover that requires that I reinstall XP on about 7-10 machines a week.
With the slow connections that we have here in Afghanistan, it takes about 18 hours to get a machine up-to-date via Windows Update, versus about 1-1/2 hours with Autopatcher. I wish I had known about Autopatcher a long time ago.
I eagerly await the arrival of the April full release.
Keep up the great work.
Glen
May 10th, 2007 at 2:24 am
You say no support for MspPlus because it offers crapware? Well, pagead.googlesyndication.com, which you use on your website, is spyware. Your argument is therefore contradictory, illogical, and irrelevant. I think it reveals simply that you are biased and prejudiced against using MsgPlus software simply because you do not like the application, or perhaps have a closed mind or conceited ego so big that you can not even consider accepting a minor difference of opinion or philosophy about how some software developers choose to generate a little money. Considering that the MsgPlus CLEARLY LETS ME CHOOSE, and your website HIDES the advertisement code and does NOT let me choose, I think you’re more of a scumbag than MsgPlus. ;-) ALSO consider that Microsoft has a LONG HISTORY of being quite an evil company that generates income by spreading lies about competitor software, and by viciously attacking and killing companies If you were CONSISTENT in the application of your philosophy, you’d be using ONLY GNU Free Software. ;-) You do not maintain INTEGRITY of your words by arbitrarily accepting some applications and not others based on a minor and trivial difference of opinion. Bottom line, MsgPlus lets users OPT OUT, very simply. The application is WIDE USED to GREATLY EXTEND Windows Messenger functionality. Get over your own god damn ego!
P.S. That said, I am still VERY GRATEFUL for your efforts for AutoPatcher! It’s EXCELLENT work! :-) I just call a foul, throw a yellow flag, red flag, all flags, toot my whistle! Pweep! Pweep! :-D
May 10th, 2007 at 9:13 am
1. I don’t see how one can put Google’s adsense and the crap bundled in Msgplus in the same category. Why don’t you call the hardware detection routine used by your operating system “spyware”? Or any website that runs a Javascript to calculate the time based on your computer’s date. They all do exactly the same. They use/filter according to content provided by your machine.
2. Msgplus lets you choose? Send me a link to an Msgplus installer which doesn’t bundle the spyware AT ALL. Do I have that choice? I guessed so. As far as I’m concerned, my choice is just one. Not much of a choice.
3. Does Microsoft have anything to do with this? I don’t seem to understand where they come into play. Enlighten me.
4. Since when does not liking spyware equals the GNU GPL? And, to be quite honest, the reason that AutoPatcher is not distributed under the GPL is that there is not enough interest.
5. We usually include applications which are: a) free of all sorts of spyware, b) small in size, c) voted by a large portion of the users.
6. Bottom line, we don’t care what Msgplus asks or does not ask. It still bundles spyware. It’s like taking the user to the edge of a cliff and asking “Do you want to fall?”. Wouldn’t it be better if they didn’t do that at all?
I call for a penalty! Instead of nagging here, take your nagging to the Msgplus forums and ask for them to completely remove the spyware, or distribute an installer with no sign of spyware AT ALL.
September 21st, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Hello
Sorry for that:( but my kids need to eat.
January 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 am
It is said to see you guys going as I loved coming to this blog and just reading what you guys have posted. Great job as you helped out a lot of people.