(s)killing time…
The past few days I have been utterly bored. My exams are over, but the new semester won't begin until October. Time to kill is something I rarely find myself having, so the past couple of days have made me feel like a royal slacker. When I get that feeling I usually try to "torture" myself -- both mentally and physically. So the obvious solution for me was programming and gym. I have mentioned several times that we are working on something, so given the mood I'm in right now, I think I might as well post some very early screenshots of what's to come.
Remember, my "job" here is programming, not making the actual releases. Since I'm sure your first question will be "when," let me just say that it depends on how fast team members can write the "scripts" for this application.
Since I'm the code-and-try type, I just had to attempt writing a script of my own. I tried writing one for the English XP release. So far the script covers all of Microsoft's critical patches and most of their non-critical ones. I actually ran into trouble with one of the non-critical patches (one which apparently need to be extracted first -- but probably in a non-standard way).
Anyway, here's what I got so far:

My starting point.

AutoPatcher fetched a link with available releases and automatically selected those applicable to my system.

Downloading the selected items. Note that Microsoft stuff comes directly from Microsoft. If the process is interrupted, the program will pickup where it left, when rerun. When downloading is done, you will end up with the usual AutoPatcher folder layout.
As I said in some comments, the only change is that instead of downloading one huge file via your browser/download manager, you will be downloading many smaller ones via a custom downloader/preparer. The bonus is of course:
1. Easier to combine releases. You just select which ones you want to get and they are combined for you.
2. Easier to upgrade. You just run the updater each month so you can get the latest updates added to AutoPatcher.
3. No need to use NSIS anymore. Once you're done downloading you can transfer the folder in a USB stick or CD.
4. No more confusion. There will only be one package offered on autopatcher.com (the updater). No more "which release do I need" or "do I need to download the update release" or "will NSIS install anything on my computer."
Comments are welcome :-)
Antonis Kaladis

September 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Looks great Antonis! couple of questions those of us who have the August core ver. will it update that? Or do we have to start from scratch? Either way I look forward to your new release! I’m stuck with dial-up service but I have access to DSL at a friends home.
Thanks again I do an average of 5-6 computers a week your past programs have been a huge time saver. I have always downloaded and saved the patchs every month becuse windows updater for a clean install on a dial-up connection is impossable.Thanks again. Rustygun
September 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Wait, so does this mean if we use this program in one place, can we still take it to another place with patches downloaded from Microsoft’s website?
September 21st, 2007 at 12:25 pm
to #1: Upgrading should be completely transparent. That means that it would work perfectly fine if you start with an August release. The program is smart enough to tell if you already have some patches and will only download the new/changed stuff.
to #2: Yes, as I said, once you’re done with that program, you should have an AutoPatcher folder as you know it, ready for transferring.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Good stuff, but how will it differ from Windows Updates Downloader http://wud.jcarle.com/
??
September 21st, 2007 at 12:45 pm
#4: as i said, the updates (along with their autopatcher module of course) will be ready for use by autopatcher (in other words ready for installation), not just a bunch of files.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Thank you so much for your efforts.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Its different because it can still install them automatically.
Ie the program is the same. However from this site you only download a small executable which then downloads updates from microsoft and becomes the regular old autopatcher!
I hope this is correct.
September 21st, 2007 at 12:55 pm
#7: correct :)
September 21st, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Looking forward to this…….
hav been using autopatcher for round a year and a half, and swear by its reliability…….
so best of luck and keep codin….;)
September 21st, 2007 at 1:51 pm
I am so happy to see you guys haven’t given up. The new project is impressive and I hope Microsoft won’t come up with some fastball to throw at you over this one. It’s a shame they would in the first place with your outstanding reputation. As you already know the community has your back.
September 21st, 2007 at 2:04 pm
#8 Fantastic! WOW I’m really looking forward, sounds like a nice work around. Moves all the bandwidth charges back on to M$ too. lol.
September 21st, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Looks good Antonis… can’t wait for it to go “live” …
September 21st, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Oh yeah…I can hardly wait. Autopatcher rides again!! Keep up the excellent work…great way to comply with MS’ demands while still getting us what we need to patch the unwashed masses.
September 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Will this be Vista supported?
September 21st, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Nice to hear - Eagerly waiting for your release. - I have a may Core release. june update, july update & august update. Can I run the new software to add updates to my existing Autopatcher folder in win XP where I have installed the above mentioned ones.
Thanks
September 21st, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Antonis, #0 Very nicely explained how an installed AutoPatcher will be updated by your new AutoPatcher Updater.exe program month on month from the Microsoft Server and AutoPatcher.com, as more patches become available. The Screen Grabs are very helpful in explaining the detail.
But people think of a transferable AutoPatcher as a large single .exe file, that they put onto a CD and when run, installs AutoPacher onto the next PC to be patched – I think it would be helpful if you could explain the process of putting an installed and updated AutoPatcher (multiple folders) onto a CD for transfer / installation onto another PC.
Thanks for all the very hard work, both I and others look forward to AutoPacher Updater.
September 21st, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Looking good, but with this you will have a lot more free time to “torture” yourself at the gym then in front of a computer. Probably wont need nearly as much upkeep with just an installer. Anyways nice to see you have found, and tested, a way to keep Autopatcher alive :)
GL in your classes once October hits :P
September 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Great work! Keep it up :)
September 21st, 2007 at 6:46 pm
I do apprieciate you hard work, i recently donated $20 toward the cause.
but your calculations when do you expect to release the new program? best guess?
thank again for you work
September 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pm
I am so glad to see you guys haven’t given up on this so indispensable project.
Will multiple Os’s be able to be downloaded as I look after several machines which never see the light of day of the internet ?
Thanks again for the hard work. :-)
September 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pm
I thought about doing this type of thing when I heard you guys had gotten a C&D. I actually started on it a little bit this last week.
One thing I was wondering is do you have to validate windows in order to appease Microsoft? Or can you just download the redistributable files and they not care about it?
September 21st, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Thank you so much for all your work on AutoPatcher. I only recently heard of your incredible program and it has saved me enormous time and headache waiting for updates to download. I hope that all goes well with your new approach. Thanks again!! Good luck with school when classes resume too.
September 21st, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Hello Antonio
I wanted to know that when all the files will be downloaded , will the updater pack them up in one single file like previous one or there will be all the files and we need to install them one by one ?
Waiting for your reply
THanks
September 21st, 2007 at 9:00 pm
ONe more thing i want to add
I am from Pakistan and here is usually dial-up is available
BUT i always used wireless internet to download autopatcher.
I would Like to say that Its the best Ever software for windows based computers available in the world.
because all the third party softwares are for their own purposes but this one is just for windows.
Wish you best of Luck Buddy.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:19 pm
I think one of the main advantages over other update systems could be the addition of Java RE, Mozilla updates, Flash, Shockwave, RealAlternative, QuickTime Alternative, WM FF Plugin, and many more of those often wanted and needed updates that are out there on the web for free.
The big mistake so many IT software companies are making is that they think the user cares about their advertising, while nobody looking for specific downloadable material really ever does. I don’t even look at ads, I just go to those sites for the downloads, the rest I could not care less about. What Autopatcher therefore did was save me the bother. Save me the useless timewasting on having to pass by so many different URLs for just one task: Being up to date.
Autopatcher is sort of the YUM for Windows.
September 21st, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Very nice! ;)
September 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 am
Hello Antonio,
Welcome back!!
Looking forward to the new product!
I also hope that the addons and standalones will be able to be done the same way?
Keep up the good work!
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:31 am
Thank you so much, I was wondering what I would do without AutoPatcher, and now it has risen from the grave…….
I know you have put so much hard work into AutoPatcher,
so thank you again. :-)
September 22nd, 2007 at 4:20 am
Looks good, Antonis.
I recently finished downloading the August Core — it only took me about 2 weeks on-and-off between two dial-up connections :P (Gotta love USB sticks.) It was worth the wait :)
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:20 am
Hi there Antonis!
First I wanna congradulate you and your crew for all your work with this program. Great from the beginning and stiil is. And you have made a lot of our windows user’s life a bit easier :)
I have read the notice and thought what may be illegal in your distributions.
I personally think that Microsoft is a bit jelous on you guys ! even before Windows/Office Genuine Validation they could have posted a cummulative update like once a year or so, ’cause 3 years have pasted from last service pack and the windows update site isn’t helping with the updates sorting and interface.
anyway, I think the WGA and OGA are the problem here.
I mean this is the main difference from what I see between:
1. having updates downloaded manually for free (except the ones starred with genuine validation) from the microsoft download site and figure out after which is already installed or better install all.
2. have the security center automatic updates set to notify and install the windows software updates, bypassing the microsoft sites update vaidation and letting you choose which to download
3. windows update by site requiring Validation, but providing only the not installed updates, including hardware.
[these 3 require time and redoing with each new Windows installation]
OR
4. Having a program lke autopatcher doing all this less time and with lower user intervention.
I hope that I’m not right, but the new application may have a similar ending. Here’s why I think Microsoft doesn’t agree with this program:
* it allows users of pirated editions of windows and office to update not having the trouble of 1,2,3 above
* these users benefit from the installed updates scanning and the next->next->next->finish time consuming user commands that are that are offered only to ‘valid visitors’ on the update site.
* by having already downloaded these ‘privileged’ hotfixes, users not having genuine software may slipstream them to unattended not genuine windows or office installations.
in other words, you, as a genuine windows user, offer to others these ‘premium’ updates and hotfixes.. and that microsoft may consider illegal, after their work with the Genuine Advantage software and Vista especially.
my question is still : if these motives wuold be correct, why now the ’stop activity’ notice and not earlier? maybe because they are planning a service pack for Vista an Windows 2007 and they don’t want competition in having a Validation download for those and having these already wraped up in an autopatcher release?
I don’t know… I’m an autopatcher fan, don’t blame me for my thoughts, but I hope that your work will continue … and in case of another ban, a version with addons, registry and appereance tweaks will still be very appreciate!
regards.
Emms
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:24 am
sorry for my typing mistakes, hope the message is clear. Good luck in starting the classes in October! Cheers!
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:17 pm
What I wonder, is there a way to integrate WGA and OGA into auto patcher itself… Something like it refuses to download the patches from Microsoft if the computer does not pass.
September 22nd, 2007 at 3:04 pm
This may force Microsoft into protecting their update files even more.
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:20 pm
You watch, this gets released and MS will hit the authors with a MDCA violation as they will claim that the program assists people in getting around the security measures (WGA) that MS has on its software
Hopefully once it gets out, it is self updating so that all the information requied comes from MS servers. Once the program is in the wild they can’s do squat to stop it.
BRAVO ZULU! on getting this going again.
September 22nd, 2007 at 5:20 pm
M$ just released the Office 2K3 SP3. So I guess they were worried about the competition and the Autopatcher speed and offline advantage.
Also, is the new program something that can be added to the core release if they exist on the computer? I mean, let’s say, the September version only downloads and adds to the August Core.
The only legal problem is the “illegality” of Autopatcher can be held to be *any day* it was made downloadable + years of applicable years of limitation. In legalese, it a continued cause of action. Though delay in legal action is sometimes fatal in a lawsuit, you may want to consult some attorney just in case. I may be able to give you a more suitable answer later this year :)
Good luck in everything!
September 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Thanks for your efforts.
Keep in mind that XP SP3 is supposed to be coming out as well as vista SP1.
I guess those mean less work if they include all the old updates.
September 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 pm
I wish people would quit harping on “I think MS will kill it again” or “why I think MS will kill it again”, as since the “product” isn’t even completed yet, and as it DOES seem to address all points already covered in MS’s earlier “spoilsport email”, there should BE no problems.
At least let them get it back out and running before you start complaining about how “while I like AutoPatcher, you[’re asking for trouble because…” garbage. It’s annoying as hell, not only to the rest of us who want, need, or simply use it, but it’s also an incredible pain in the ass to the people who are already quite well aware of what may or may not happen at some particular point in the future. Monkeys might fly out my ass at some point in the future as well, but since the liklihood of this occurring is relatively slim, and not in the immediate future regardless, I’m not wasting my time with useless theoretics about “if monkeys fly out my ass, these are the potential reasons that I feel that MS may or may not possibly eventually attack me…maybe…kinda sorta…”
Also, if the MegaSchittes had planned on suing, they’d have already done so by now. They are NOT the type of multibillion-dollar international megalocorporation to sit idly by when they think they can make a few million/billion more off someone else who’s doing a better job than they are doing. Just take a look at Lindows OS, which had to be rebranded to “Linspire” (stupid name) due to dozens of international lawsuits which would EASILY have bankrupted the Lindows/Linspire team in short order, had the barrage of lawsuits continued. If they wanted people to see they can crush some non-multibillion-dollar software author/company, they’ve long since proved that point, as well as their point that it’s “MS way or no way.”
Personally, the ONLY valid questions are:
1) WHEN?!? WHEN?!? WHEN?!? d:^)
Related to this are the inevitable and oft-used sub-points:
1a) HURRY!!! HURRY!!! HURRY!!!
1b) What?! It’s not done YET?! You bastards! d:^p
2) Will WGA/OGA validation be a prerequisite in order to download the updates which require WGA?
As the above is only a question that a “Windows Ingenuine User” needs to consider, it’s quite immaterial for legitimate users and the tech support staffers who really are the main target of AutoPatcher. If you haven’t got a legitimate OS, it’s your own fault you’re so damned cheap…it’s not a requirement of AutoPatcher to circumvent ANYTHING just to keep a few bucks in YOUR pocket! If you purchase the OS you’re running, this question would cease to be asked, as it wouldn’t have any relevance to you any longer, as your OS would BE legitimate!
(re: #15) Copying an entire AutoPatcher “working directory” which is executable WITHOUT installation is just as easy as copying a single executable, installing it, and then executing the application…the “new method” just saves the time you would normally use for the installation process on the secondary machine(s). Six of one, half dozen of the other…the end result is the same, but with potentially even more time savings due to the lack of individual machine installs…which leads to:
3) For those people who DO prefer a single-file-installer method, will it be possible to compile the current/future AutoPatcher directory into an install package at the end-user level?
From my own perspective, I hesitate to consider this, as it might introduce the potential for “abuse/attack builds” being spread on P2P networks, as with any “custom built package” anyone who felt like modifying or adding virii and uploading a “complete AutoPatcher release kit” could then have the opportunity to do so.
WIthout an official AutoPatcher “free-standing installer” to judge byte size and MD5 hashes against, I feel it’s “a little iffy” that this would be a wise path…despite the fact that some folks (who may not have considered the potential implications of this) might prefer it.
Re: SP3/4/5…ad infinitum…
While some people seem to think that a future SPx release is going to be something which damages AutoPatcher’s utility and usefulness…AutoPatcher CAN and WILL be updated to reflect this. Common sense easily tells you that, of course. d;oP
All that remains to be said is that Antonis and crew have done an excellent job over the last few years, helped countless people save possibly hundreds of thousands of hours, while saving corporations millions of dollars in bandwidth and man-hour expenses, and should be congratulated HOURLY!
I would suggest that the next iteration of AutoPatcher be designated “the Phoenix Edition” (for obvious reasons), or perhaps the “AK-47 Edition” due to the fact that Antonis Kaladis simply blows away the problems that “MegaSloth Update” will very likely never take care of.
Pizza’s here!!! I’m done… ;)
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pm
I don’t think that MS has any legal standing to ban any software that does not contain code from MS (downloaded or copied). If they can, it implies that they can ban ANY software developed using MS development tools (like C++ compiler - compiled code contains code from MS). If someone downloads patches using autopatcher and redistributes, MS has to catch the person redistributing it, not autopatcher team. All said and done MS is a business house, is not a maffia gang engaged in blatantly illegal activities. I don’t thing there any need for apprehension.
September 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Appreciate all your efforts. Your app rocks, Antonis!
Gotta keep this baby alive!
September 23rd, 2007 at 1:07 am
you don’t have opensolaris or linux or bsd skill? michaelpo@gmail.com
September 23rd, 2007 at 1:27 am
you are truly amazing! please expect our support. we’re behind you all the way anyway we can, whenever we can. appreciate your effort.
September 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 am
I feel sorry to comment this, but low-BW user shall suffer more when there is no offline updater…
I appreciate your trying to keep this project alive nevertheless, Mr. Kaladis.
September 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 am
#40: you only need to download once (just like old autopatchers). once the download is done, its just as portable as the old releases.
September 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 am
Good job compatriot, glad to see you’re back on track! :D
September 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 am
Pity that M$ won’t let you guys continue “as is”…(Perjhaps a threat of court proceedings on the grounds their decision is “ant-competitive” may get a respons, also go to the press about this it is exceedingly unfair).
Hope the new “project” goes well, though I have NEVER trusted M$ updates after one so called legit update completely trashed my register. Forcing me to do a complete reinstall of 2000 Pro. (some .dll files also went missing)…M$ have never appologised for that even though I use legit M$ products.
My advice would be to contact the computer press with your side of the story and show M$ up for the big bullies they really are. That kind of negative press gets attention!!.
Again sorry that you have had to face this, but I think M$ are WRONG about this and need to be shown publicly that they are!
Yours,
zaeon!
September 23rd, 2007 at 6:14 am
pff it sucks that microsoft said you had 2stop!
try to go back again on track again
September 23rd, 2007 at 8:18 am
Hey is the D/L server broke , cant seem to Download from the web page any othe palce toi ger
September 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Hi, I love Autopatcher and I look forward to return in any form. The main reason I love Autopatcher is because I don’t think we can trust Microsoft to have so much access to what updates get applied to our systems. And yes, I mean a legit copy of Windows, too. Autopatcher allows us to know for sure what we’re getting from Microsoft’s update patches.
Thanks!
September 23rd, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Way to go Antonis!
Looks like you’ve been brainstorming a solution and I am looking forward to the next incarnation of Autopatcher!
September 23rd, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Great Autopatcher Lives On! That’s a nice workaround.
September 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 pm
These are excellent news!
So, the idea is for you to distribute an empty Autopatcher (i.e. no updates included to keep the M$ sharks away) and users should get the updates once and then have a portable updater.
Is there an ETA for a public release of this updater?
Thank you for this excellent program and for not giving up!
September 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pm
At the moment, direct Microsoft download links work. All Microsoft have to do is protect those links against leeching (forcing people to go through their WGA system) and this new Autopatcher concept will have all been for nothing.
September 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 pm
You are the shit my man
September 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 pm
good to listen, please work hard!
we are waiting you!
THX!
September 23rd, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Maybe control of which languages are downloaded. Eg you only need to download the languages that you are interested in.
Also
Ability to include office, jre, acrobat, firefox may be good.
Great work though
September 24th, 2007 at 12:40 am
Hey, when they build a better lock, you build a better key. Thanks for the hard work. I like the new idea you’ve got going. I was going to say there is always the UnderGround. But your idea looks better. Peace out and don’t forget to drink 8 glasses of water a day. lol.
September 24th, 2007 at 3:19 am
The programme looks great, can’t wait for it to be released.
1 question though, will there be an Office version of Autopatcher, it would make restoring systems even easier.
Signing off,
Swatmajor1
September 24th, 2007 at 3:22 am
Looking good. I hope Microsoft will let you do it. Unfortunately, I think they might complain again. I think that their main point in stopping AutoPatcher is to keep pirated Windows from getting updated. The only way they can do that, is to force each one to update from Windows/Microsoft Update website.
Good Luck!
September 24th, 2007 at 4:03 am
#55, Before they complain they have to take down administrator option from MS update, which allows system admins to download fixes for multiple operating systems for off-line installation. New autopatcher is precisely attempting to automate that process. (Am I correct Antonis?) MS has absolutely no legal standing to object to that without taking down administrator option from their website. They can not and will not do that. MS gets bulk of their revenue from corporate customers.
September 24th, 2007 at 4:58 am
Nice work! I knew you could do something to keep alive this project! Very good idea! How did you come up with this? In the bathtub, like… you know who…, or an apple fall down on your head? :)
Really good work!
You’re a special man! And all of you are a special team.
Keep up the good work!
September 24th, 2007 at 6:17 am
Dude, the reason MS want autopatcher stopped is because they’re embarrassed that you have a great product. This is something MS should have done ages ago. Since I first came across autopatcher i’ve thought it to be a great product. I work in IT and its the best thing to use to build PC’s…. my respect for Microsoft has dropped lower than ever because of they’re petty decision to stop autopatcher, so much for the customer is always right.
September 24th, 2007 at 9:15 am
From what I can see until now, it looks like M$ has helped you to make a better AP :-)
No matter of what the result of your effort is, a big thank you to the AP team
September 24th, 2007 at 9:49 am
AWESOME as always… Can’t wait for the release so I can get back to using your EXCELLENT tools
September 24th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Send me the source code. I WANT TO HELP!!!
September 24th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
What about the Add-ons & Extras will they be available as a single package for download or should we use new downloader to download them?
September 24th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Yes! Yes! Yes!
(Ooh, sorry, I was beginning to sound a little like Meg Ryan in “When Harry Met Sally”…)
Anyway, this sounds like the perfect solution to the current issue in a one-size-fits-all kind of bundle.
September 24th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
I think Microsoft’s big argument is that Autopatcher was distributing the updates. This new program will not include the updates (am I correct Antonis?) you will have to get them yourself from Microsoft and then you can update other PCs (like an admin of a company with several PCs)
Of course there will always be packages available on the internet, just not from autopatcher.com…
Anyway, once SP3 for XP is out there will be less updates to download ;)
September 24th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
I hate to say it but circumventing M$’s beloved WGA process will result in termination.
September 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
it is GREAT to c dat u guyz are progressing … GREAT JOB GUYZ and welcome back antonis :)
September 24th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
I hope you could make another great work as you always made with Autopatcher. Your program saves my time supporting a lot of machines with one download to all computers I support instead of a long download per machine. In a great number of them. there were errors in Windupdates and the M$ Support not even respond us
September 24th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Microsoft will always try to shutdown something that they did not think of that is beneficial for them. But if we comply with them in certain ways, I am sure that all will work out nicely. We need to play their game of choice, that is the only downfall.
Here is what we can do to work ‘with’ Microsoft (if at all possible)…
1. Allow the updates to be downloaded and set to thier directories.
2. Force an install of the WGA if it is not already, before the actual AutoPatcher does any updates.
3. Detect if OS is genuine by registry/file detection (yes, this can be done, as I have been talking with MS in regards to this)
4a. If Genuine is NOT true, puke back and refuse to run WGA reliant updates, or just not run at all.
4b. If Genuine is true, allow the user to proceed with all the updates.
Basicly, this program will rely on MS to verify first. Have the installer distribute with WGA. In terms of Internet connections, there will be just a couple of seconds for it to check to see if it is in fact Genuine.
Now, this might be a little hard to implement, but it is possible. The end result would keep AutoPatcher on the right side of the fence, allow Microsoft to still detect if a product is legit, and will prevent unauthorized installs of updates. In the case the Windows is not on the Internet, it will not be able to verify this. That is why it will allow the installation of non-WGA updates, so at least people can still get something.
September 24th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
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September 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
I know that this suggestion won’t matter until you near completion, but you could have four main types of scripts, one that downloads all patches after the last service pack, another script that just downloads the updates that were released since the last AP version, another that checks which patches have not been installed and download those, and a final one that lets the user pick which patches do download/install like in the last version. One final suggestion: Let users opt out of IE 7 no matter which script they use, I just don’t trust MS enough right now to “upgrade” until they fix more bugs in it.
September 25th, 2007 at 2:30 am
#68 what would be the point of that? Its also possible for microsoft to BUY autopatcher et all
September 25th, 2007 at 3:28 am
#68: I don’t think you can properly detect if the OS is genuine by registry/file detection. I don’t know who in Microsoft believes this to be the proper way, but my humble experience tells me that you shouldn’t rely on something that’s easily modified by just about anyone in a matter of 2 seconds time. That’s of course if WGA and fighting piracy is of such importance at all. My understanding is that WGA was intended to be more of an educational tool, rather than a complete solution to piracy. At least that’s what I’ve been told.
September 25th, 2007 at 4:53 am
The benefits to your bandwidth must be worth all this effort…. ;)
Nice work. I’m pleased to see you’re making progress.
#70 as i understand it the script is just for downloading the patches, the installation will be much the same as before, with you able to select what to install.
September 25th, 2007 at 5:04 am
good,,,,thx man!
September 25th, 2007 at 6:10 am
WoW ! That is excellent. And clever…. So now microsoft cannot complain about anything ? Thanks for the hard work you put into this.
September 25th, 2007 at 6:15 am
You are the best! Great Work.
September 25th, 2007 at 7:00 am
#73, in that case there should still be two scripts: one to download everything after the last service pack and another to just download the updates released after the last script (to save bandwidth).
September 25th, 2007 at 8:09 am
I admire your continued dedication, Antonis.
Can I assume this will still allow us to download for multiple platforms (for example, I run a network of WIndows 2003 & XP boxes that are NOT connected to the Internet) just from, say, an XP box that IS connected? Ie i can run the autopatcher “downloader” and select an OS version and it can download everything since the latest service pack release (with monthly updates)? Then transfer via CD or USB to my non-connected machines?
September 25th, 2007 at 8:17 am
#77, No need. The script can check the presence of updates (and verify they are not corrupted) and (re)download only required updates. When you start with an empty download directory, everything is downloaded, later only changes / new items are downloaded.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:47 am
Happy, Well done you and your work helps many peoples.
September 25th, 2007 at 10:52 am
#79: that’s quite accurate ;)
September 25th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
I’m rooting for ya Antonis. Give me a heads up if/when you need any help with anything
September 25th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Many many thanks Mr. Kaladis….
I am from Indonesia… many thanks for your work i wish i have more money to donate to you..
keep the good jobs may God with and bless you
September 25th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
I know that you said we won’t have a final version for a while, but do you have a guess as to when a public beta will be available?
September 25th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
So Excited! I Can’t wait for this version to come out.. Let Microsoft Suck bandwidth.
Don’t forget the answer file!, (ability to keep a previous answer file would be really nice, but they are not that hard to create)
September 26th, 2007 at 2:39 am
Antonis: the script could delete obsolete patches too :-)
September 26th, 2007 at 5:58 am
#85: Answer files have nothing to do with the AutoPatcher Updater program itself, so they remain unaffected. That is, they will continue to work as you know them ;)
#86: Indeed it can ;)
September 26th, 2007 at 6:16 am
Hi Antonis,
Hat off too you, this is great, all I could hope for.
Bill
September 26th, 2007 at 8:13 am
Antonis,
Just to clarify are you imagining a single programme that would be capable of downloading the patches or installing them…
…or two separate programmes, the one downloading the patches (as well as possibly possibly the second programme too,) and the the second being much as before?
Just a thought, i imagine that many people download the patches somewhere they have bandwidth and deploy them somewhere they don’t. The computer with the bandwidth not necessarily having the patches present all the time. So i think a useful feature would be, in addition to checking what patches are present in the AP folder to be able to select ‘patches added after xx/xx/xx date’ so they could all be combined somewhere else.
great work.
thanks.
September 26th, 2007 at 10:16 am
#89: Two programs: AutoPatcher and AutoPatcher Updater. Just imagine both executables sitting side by side. When you need to update it, just move your folder to a system with a fast internet connection and run the Updater. Remember, updating is not only downloading the new stuff, but also removing the old/obsolete stuff. My guess that USB sticks with AutoPatcher will become popular, since they will be so easy to keep updated.
September 26th, 2007 at 11:23 am
Sounds like a good idea, so the stick will always have the latest updates, less clutter, better space management. Like a dynamic “Core” release
September 26th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Congratulations on sticking with the project, I too am indebted to you for making this work for the community. Your dedication is commendable and I am grateful for your work and that of the team.
September 26th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Antonis, in reference to your reply to #89…
I and my Bro’ use USB sticks with Autopatcher all the time, saves space and is VERY portable. Saves time too on Laptops.(At least five makes we know of allow you to boot from USB, handy option).
Hope the new program can be made as portable!
September 26th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Antonis, Will that work too for other languages as English? As I am Dutch would like updates in my language.
September 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Download Autopatcher set.2007
September 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
What about all the extra modules that are not microsoft updates. What will happen with those? (Like Java, Firefox etc…)
Will these modules be available to download like before?
September 27th, 2007 at 12:49 am
Hi Antonis,
And what about WinXP,Vista and Office03,07 updating on one USB stick? :) All-in-One :)
September 27th, 2007 at 4:29 am
Nice Job … Kaladis…. well i was wandering about the NON-MICROSOFT updates likes shokwave player, java, firefox , windows uptime tool etc etc. So from where we are going to get them.
Regards,
September 27th, 2007 at 7:02 am
Why does anyone still use VB6??
September 27th, 2007 at 10:25 am
In addition to Henk’s (from PCA?) request for Dutch Windows versions, will the new program also work with a Dutch Windows XP Media Center Edition ?
I have only a modem connection, so updating Windows in the normal way would skyrocket my telephone bill. Now I let someone with a broadband connection download Autopatcher on my USB stick and use that to update my computer.
September 27th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
nice!, with this, you can even make it “language-independent”, as in, selec the language you want and you can start downloading, for that language, no language maintainers are needed :)
September 27th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
well, somebody’s got to write the scripts for the updater and the modules for autopatcher itself
September 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
I hope that you will be leaving the tweaks and such in there as well along with the patches. Great job! I was so disappointed when MS shut you down.
This is a great answer!
September 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
I’m really looking forward to this new project. It was a really hard hit when MS did their thing, but this solution looks really great.
Can’t wait to try it.
September 27th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
its very good job but before Autopatchers was better job!
September 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
necessito muito desse download po favor medixe fazêlo
September 27th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
NOoooooooooooo !
:x
I hate downloading !
My 56K dialup SUCKs !!!
:(
September 27th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
i think you can add more language / different language of xp patch on to your program,,,,,,,
let people to choose CHT / CHS / ENG / JPN /
i think it will be better!
THanks
September 27th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
You guys ROCKS!!!!!
September 27th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Antonis,
I wrote two complaints to MS on the subject of Autopatcher’s closure and got one form response and another saying that my further complaint would be direct to the appropriate department for review. I was so angry about this I sat about thinking about what could be done to keep AP alive. I came up with same idea of downloading the patches to build the AP library direct downloads from MS thus allowing the core program to be redistributed without Microsoft’s code. Again, I am very glad you came to the same conclusion and have donated $50 to celebrate!
Thanks for your hard work and that of your peers!
-felipe
September 28th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Freakin’ cool man….keep it up.
I’m waiting for the Updater release.
Can you blast out an email notification?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:54 am
My idea - You could try about implementing in it sth like portable-proxy - In that way downloads could be downloaded only once, and stored in a cache forever p.ex. on a pendrive. In that way patches could be used on more PC’s even if thay are dowloaded once.
Thx
September 28th, 2007 at 9:01 am
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September 28th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
Great work Antonis, mabye you should rename it to “winupdater” hehe I love it, becaue I used have dailup but now I I’m back on diaup. I hate refortmated because of old auto patcher good thing I save those safe keeping hehe. I used have wireless but it wouldn’t stay up so I ditch it and go back with dialup with netzero so far Iove it. Ya those updaters do save time ;) I think you should rename your program to ‘winupdater’ :) make sense right Antonis?
September 28th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
This sounds like an awesome idea!! Good luck with it mate!!
Take THAT MS!! :)
September 28th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
just a thought but it would be nice is that after a minor host file update ie update.windows.com = 127.0.0.1 ( temp for this application ) the computer could pick out the updates it needs from all possible updates contained on a dvd / usb drive. I could really really use something like that.
September 28th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
re: “(s)killing time…”
Antonis & Crew (Team), I have enjoyed using Autopatcher over the years. The updater looks good! Don’t let us end users, stress you and your team out, with “when?”. Take some time off and smell the roses. I am looking forward to coming future to see what is released. Bet wishes on you and your team’s future(s).
September 29th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Just thought I’d pop back and say that the idea of something that downloads from the MS website direct would definetly be a plus. For them, they wouldn’t whinge about security risks, and for us, we’d still get what we need.
Btw Antonis, I just found out I’m older than you (I’m 23 in October). Hehe. But hey, that’s no biggy. Just saying.
Keep up the good work fellas! XD
LONG LIVE AUTOPATCHER!!!
September 29th, 2007 at 4:01 am
I’ve been away from the computers and internet because of my work. It’s been a hard month of work… I’ll be back to the creation of my releases in next week or so.
September 29th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Antonis & Crew
you guys have saved my bacon many times - bad/slow/no connections, you know the score.
Thanks for hanging in there for those of us that don’t have the time to constantly download and monitor patches from MS
keep rockin
September 30th, 2007 at 10:05 am
Long live autopatcher!!!
September 30th, 2007 at 10:29 am
I love AP but there is one thing everyone needs to remember, it’s not completely idiot proof, close but not 100%.
“If you build something that is idiot proof, Nature will build a better idiot!”
September 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Great! Looking forward to see this put to work!
September 30th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
great to see the project is active! well done!
http://www.13bit.com.ar/post/Autopatchercom-working-on-next-release.aspx
September 30th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Maybe Microshaft just doesn’t like your site? Perhaps maybe change the Autopatcher logo(s), both on-site, and the programming logo:
http://www.autopatcher.com/wp-content/themes/autopatcher/images/header_logo.gif
It’s nit-picky, but that just may be what they don’t like. AP is GREAT for us sysadmins who roll out new systems daily!
Hell, who knows, I dont know what AP is programmed in, but maybe port the code to Borland C++ or something…? Borland != Microsoft :P
I mean, WindizUpdates has been around for a while, and they haven’t gotten ANY heat, the only difference is Windiz uses Mozilla-based browsers only….but the technology seems the same, downloads the updates right from microsoft’s servers..
September 30th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Hey,
I know I dont know all the particulars. But How about leaving the mirror download page off the sight. But still release the autopatcher to your download mirrors. I had no trouble finding the most current release using Google.
You might place a google link on the page. and give the search pattern to find the mirrors. Or just publish the search pattern and let every one use google to find the mirrors.
Just a thought.
September 30th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Golden. Antonis, thank you for not simply giving up. MS’ provided tools (WSUS and Windows Update) just don’t fill the massive niche that AP does. You and your team are kings amongst men.
October 1st, 2007 at 5:08 am
You really should make a form or something like this to collect firms from autopatcher’s users and fans.
Collect as many signatures as possible and send them to Microsoft! Use the newsletter to communicate to everyone about the initiative and fight against the end of this useful and great project.
Good luck
Roberto
October 1st, 2007 at 6:53 am
#131: Erm, did you even read the blog post?
October 1st, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Don’t forget to either make a way to set a network proxy in your tool for fetching the patches, or read the settings from internet exploder. Some hardnosed wise guy (me) forces people to use a proxy and it isn’t automagical redirects by the firewall cuz that obfuscated ip’s in the logs.
:)
otherwise– yippee! looking forward to this tool again! keep up the good work.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:24 pm
WHEN WHEN WHEN??????
October 1st, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Nice going man, make sure to keep it around, else most of us sysadmins won’t be able to get paid as fast…
October 1st, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Great work. Meanwhile, we try to keep it updated until this new stuff is out.
Vista Sep07
WinXP Sep07
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:33 am
Good job! Keep it up…
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:51 am
That’s gr8 keep it up !
http://www.megaleecher.net/
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:51 am
Hi. I dont know if this is the right place to ask this question. I found autopatcher when searching for Xp updates and thought it is a very good thing.
Since your site was down I downloaded from another site the “May2007? core and later updates. i installed on my laptop. i have some questions :
1) I have licensed XP home with SP2 and windows automatic updates are on and updated. but when i ran autopatcher it did show few critical releases as uninstalled. if i install these and anything else, will it be a clash with auto-updates feature?
2) I saw in my add/remove programs some updates which didnt seem to be present in auto-patcher. Is this possible, or does autopatcher contain ALL updates that MS has released?
3) If I install XP Home or Pro on a computer and I run the autopatcher, will my computer be updated completely. Do I have to install SP2 first or is it within autopatcher?
4) If I select all updates and install in one go, will the computer reboot whenever required and then continue?
5) I had downloaded individual updates from some website (softwarepatch.com). Can i remove these files now, they should be in autopatcher?
6) Can I make an integrated bootable XP installation CD from autopatcher?
I hope you can get the time to answer
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:52 am
I dont know if this is the right place to ask this question. I found autopatcher when searching for Xp updates and thought it is a very good thing.
Since your site was down I downloaded from another site the “May2007? core and later updates. i installed on my laptop. i have some questions :
1) I have licensed XP home with SP2 and windows automatic updates are on and updated. but when i ran autopatcher it did show few critical releases as uninstalled. if i install these and anything else, will it be a clash with auto-updates feature?
2) I saw in my add/remove programs some updates which didnt seem to be present in auto-patcher. Is this possible, or does autopatcher contain ALL updates that MS has released?
3) If I install XP Home or Pro on a computer and I run the autopatcher, will my computer be updated completely. Do I have to install SP2 first or is it within autopatcher?
4) If I select all updates and install in one go, will the computer reboot whenever required and then continue?
5) I had downloaded individual updates from some website (softwarepatch.com). Can i remove these files now, they should be in autopatcher?
6) Can I make an integrated bootable XP installation CD from autopatcher?
I hope you can get the time to answer
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:16 am
#129 The problem with that would be that it would be very easy for people to modify the updates and insert malicious code. You couldn’t control who came up in a google search.
I suppose you could publish the hashes on this site but not everyone would be bothered with it. And it would jerk MS off even more.
plus it feels dirty.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:36 am
Nice job Antonis!
I wonder if you are utilizing the BITS service of windows for the transfers (because this service is used by Windows Updates engine and is utilizing bandwidth throttling and transfer recovery -resuming-, and you don’t have to write code for these two features!).
It’s an honour to have a Greek person conducting such a great valued job!
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:49 am
Any idea when we could see any beta/preview/demo?
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 am
Go ahead! The Autopatcher is not a history. It is reality. We are waiting.
October 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 am
George, no, I’m not using BITS, and to be honest, can’t find any reason to do so. Right now the code allows us to resume transfers, but I have disabled it. The reason: before downloading a file, AutoPatcher looks for it, and then checks its MD5. If a file transfer is interrupted, its MD5 will obviously be wrong, so the updater program would have two options: 1. consider the file incomplete and resume it, or 2. consider the file changed and re-download it. I chose the latter.
Don’t confuse this with resuming the download process itself. If you interrupt it at any time, it will just redownload the file it was downloading, but not the ones before it (which were downloaded successfully).
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 am
autopatcher xp
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 am
autopatcher
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 am
… hey Antonis, just wanted to say that if there was a Nobel Prize for assisting the IT community YOU would deserve it.
… tyvm for all you’ve done and are doing matey!
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:48 am
What about Polish version of Autopatcher? Will it be continued by Marcin Wawer?
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:54 am
while waiting for autopatcher try
Looking for manageable Windows updates even without an internet connection? Our offline update 3.0 script collection downloads the entire body of updates for Windows 2000, XP or Server 2003 from Microsoft’s
servers in one fell swoop and then uses them to create patch packages on CD, DVD or USB stick. Those in turn allow you to update as many PCs as desired
http://www.heise-security.co.uk/articles/80682
Download: You will always find the latest version of Offline Update on
http://www.heise.de/ct/projekte/offlineupdate/download_uk.shtml
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:20 am
Jimmy, yes, if Marcin still wants to do it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Your program was and will be great… I am sorry that microsoft thumped on you, but consider the alternative. At least they did not buy you out, as they so often do.
Keep up the good work
John
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Hi there, just wanted to say congrats on the new idea, I simply cant live without autopatcher in my line of work and your hard work and effort has helped millions. Thanks
I also wanted to ask though, didn’t autopatcher automatically force you to install WGA if you didn’t already have it? I don’t know if that checking that you did for updates like IE7 was done for the other updates or not, but surely that requirement that you set in autopatcher covers you with the WGA issue? If microsoft is worried about people slipstreaming WGA required updates then surely the issue is with the software that allows those updates to be slipstreamed and not the provider of the updates? M$ should rather spend their time bothering ppl that create WGA patches and WGA work arounds, not you.
Anyways, I’m sure you’ve heard this all b4.
Good luck with your new program, and I hope that if any legal action takes place, that you win the case.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:39 pm
I can’t wait. This sounds great. I hope you add updating of other software too– java, Adobe Reader, RealPlayer, QuickTime, Flash, … The possibilities are endless. The amount of time spent of updating user machines keeps growing every year in spite of “automatic” windows and office updates. Hardly a day goes by without someone walking to my door and asking “do I really have to install the update for ___”. Um.. yeah.
Thanks for your work on this!
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pm
I hope we see any version soon :)
October 3rd, 2007 at 8:33 pm
You truly are a programmer at heart…and I suppose this is why the AP stuff has always been great…not for the money, but for the purist in you that craves to develope SW that is needed and works…not the “world’s next accounting SW”!!!…but something that forms an interface between several pcs. It’s almost like you would not be nearly as dedicated IF the process & interface into SWXXX (e.g. M$xx) was documented…that would (?) spoil the challenge!
I say all of this because, for more than 20 years, this was my “work” and was paid for it! In my case it was PC based SW that interfaced with well known & obscure brand industrial controls (PC based or related)… So, continue your current path and goals. I suspect that, indirectly…the M$ position and the poor situation with how M$ mistreated AP only adds to your challenge. Ironically, if you continue with your current SW project, it may well result in something much better…in the end, than our beloved AP. GOOD LUCK…and I hope all of us will encourage you!
BOB
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Thanks for doing this!! We are always happy to host Autopatcher in the future, and continue to host the August releases at ap.500words.ca.
Thanks!
October 4th, 2007 at 1:40 am
Way to go! God Bless People like you who are just serving others with great needs!
Keep up with the job! We are all eagar for the new “Program” to come out, 120% support!
October 4th, 2007 at 3:57 am
Thanks for keeping AutoPatcher alive. Many of us were scared that the project would end up like many other titles before that were stopped at the iron hand of Microsoft. While I understand Microsoft’s stance, and need to enforce WGA on a per-download basis, it is not safe to assume that AutoPatcher users are pirates. Many Microsoft Download Center downloads are not enforced by WGA, they have a lot of problems classifing what should and should not be for genuine users, but that’s another issue. They need to fix this nonetheless, because it effects the legality of AutoPatcher by mystifing what needs to be WGA checked, as they don’t put WGA protection in anything except their download site, in Internet Explorer 7, and Windows Media Player. If they had included WGA in every new update from when they started heavily relying on WGA, AutoPatcher would not had been forced directly to change distribution methods.
I buy Windows because I believe in developers, and because I have dealt with the hassle of managing unlicensed systems in the past.
While Windows may not be worth all it’s come out to cost you, it is still worth something, every bit of software is worth at least a few dollars, even open-source licensed titles. I myself believe in the support for cost and cost for extras pricing method, but that’s not how Microsoft operates, they’re still very traditional, a mixed bag so to speak when it comes to “extras” of course.
Keep up the good work. Keep it free, and accept donations, and continue to poor your heart into this popular and high quality project.
Cheers,
James Cornell
Carcinogenic Studios
http://www.carcinogenic-studios.com/
October 4th, 2007 at 4:41 am
#149 At least they did not buy you out, as they so often do.
Yes they must be extremely pleased about that ;)
October 4th, 2007 at 6:58 am
Nice Job re Antonaki!!! Pali kala poy exoyme kai tetoia paidia kai boithane !!! To perimenoyme me anypomonisia!! :)
October 4th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Looks great! These fresh ideas show how much talent you guys have. I’m looking forward to the finished product!
October 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
So… you’re going with the same idea that jcarle had months ago with WUD. It’s sad to see so many people thinking that this is a new and innovative idea, when it’s just a copy of something that already exists.
http://wud.jcarle.com
October 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
On that note.. would you mind showing us the format of that .list file? I’m wondering if it’s anything like the .ul files from WUD… compiling that list took quite a long time.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
http://www.autopatcher.com/releases.list
sample scripts:
http://www.autopatcher.com/apengine.script
http://www.autopatcher.com/releases/autopatcher_xp_x86_enu_aug07.script
October 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
I think you will shortly be bought out my Microsoft and integrated, as they did with Roxio software for cd burning and for that systemworks company.
I came to your site today hoping to get some autopatcher releases but alas none. I have a rather slow computer and using it to download from the windows update website is taking forever. I don’t know if it will ever finish scanning for updates. I had had to use boot disks so I could repair bad sectors in files that were startup files. And I had done the system restore, so my computer won’t do automatic updates.
I will be definitely looking forward to running autopatcher in the future. Or is there some place I can get it now? Do I have to use emule or limewire or some underground software to find it?
I can’t seem to get my automatic updates to work so I am hoping to use autopatcher in the near future because my computer is already somewhat vulnerable, not having been updated for a year or so now.
Please feel free to reply to my email address above.
October 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Everything is look great. I’m taking a look at the scripts and they are making perfect sence.
One question though: Since each module will be downloaded from autopatcher.com when somebody updates, will this produce too much trafic ?
October 5th, 2007 at 7:49 am
@Tenchi103
I believe that Antonis posted them on AP’s site so people could see the scripts. I am sure that the final product will not point directly to AP and most likely will still be mirrored out. The actual downloading of patches will be from M$ directly as AP will no longer include the patches in the download from what i understand. You more than likely will still have to have a machine that passes WGA at least once to get the patches…
October 5th, 2007 at 9:41 am
Tenchi103, modules are quite small so we might actually be able to serve them on our own. It depends on how popular they become. We’ll see.
October 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
@Antonis - Sounds like a plan. Give me an email or PM if/when you need help with MS Office modules.
October 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Sorry, i didnt really get any of this properly. Whats the difference between this and the old autopatcher. AND wont microsoft tell u to get rid of this too. How is it better(or diferent).
October 5th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Don’t you think Microsoft could simply hide to bots the download links of updates with some excuse I don’t want to suggest to them? :-P
October 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Antonis, I looked at the releases.list file and I noticed that it did not contain any x64 releases. Will x64 be coming soon after the main release of x86, or will it