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[pol]

Hi,

I've seen MS released a DVD ISO update on the 14th of april with many updates for win2000 upto 2008.

When synchronizing Autopatcher, some (but not all) of the updates are downloaded.
Strangely when i start searching for each OS and KBnumber, only the updates for vista are included, not the ones for xp, 2000 etc while MS recomends them too to apply on them.

as example:

KB952004 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/952004

applies to ALL MS OS versions starting from windows 2000

Autopatcher only downloads the updates for vista and 2008 (while i have selected to include ALL english OS versions)

my questions are rather simple now :-)

- is there some delay to include the new available updates into Autopatcher?
- is it possible that some fixes are to be found on DVD versions of MS only and not online (and thus never included into Autopachter)?

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Hi pol...

I'm sorry but your post is rather vague ( for me anyway ) to some degree so clarification is needed.

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When synchronizing Autopatcher, some (but not all) of the updates are downloaded.

What do you mean by synchronizing AutoPatcher? Also, if you are downloading everything to the same modules folder,
which we have repeatedly tried to discourage, this could be part of your problem.

We recommend having OSs in their own folders ( not shared with another OS ).

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when i start searching for each OS and KBnumber, only the updates for vista are included, not the ones for xp, 2000 etc

Where are you searching and from what KBNumber list ( source of the list of updates )?

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Autopatcher only downloads the updates for vista and 2008 (while i have selected to include ALL english OS versions)

Again, this is not a good habit to get into, mixing the OSs.

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01 - is there some delay to include the new available updates into Autopatcher?
02 - is it possible that some fixes are to be found on DVD versions of MS only and not online (and thus never included into Autopachter)?

01 - There is a brief delay sure, but what updates are missing that you are concerned with?
02 - The dev. team can answer this in more detail ( I would say Yes, some updates are not available to AutoPatcher ).

Bottom Line:

You likely have a little bit of a mess on your hands due to the fact you downloaded everything into the same modules directory.
To see if you in fact have any release in totality I would run APUP again and check only 1 OS and see if it completes ( Finish Tab / No Errors ).

I would recommend you figure out a way to get each OS release into their own folders ( see my sig ). You may need to download again.

Also, when you verify the releases, use "apup.exe /log" to check for errors.

Mike

[Cristiano]

> KB952004
this one was released at april 14. the ptb, ptg and vista x64 (i'm not sure about vista x32) scripts already have this one because i us to have insomnia and it gives me several hours free from times to times. but i don't desire that curse to anyone. do you remember the early days of autopatcher? we used to release the updates 1 week after ms. just because the script is online now, it doesn't mean that there's less job to do. it takes time to fully test it. the updates will be added, one by one. but it may takes some time

> is it possible that some fixes are to be found on DVD versions of MS only and not online (and thus never included into Autopachter)?
yes. but it's an paid service. from times to times, you may found warnings about request updates. those are free, but ms also release updates for specific situations to those that have agreement with ms. we do not include non-public updates

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[pol]

hi guys,

first of all: I do appreciate a lot the work you guys do with this project. (respect)

now back on topic.

I was talking about public downloadable updates / fixes / ...

I've seen that MS made the public available update DVD with all fixes for all current OS versions (win2000 upto win2008)
Previously is was talking about the latest April edition.

Now i'm talking about the previous "March 2009 Security Release ISO Image"
url -> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en

KB958690 critical rating for all OS versions ....

now i first "update" Autopatcher by hitting apup.exe en checking all OS versions in english or language "all"
thats the part i call synchronizing the databases with what is available on your servers i guess :-) + fetching the updates itself from MS.
thus i could be sure i should have all needed updates localy.

this process takes some time to complete (very logical :-) ) ...

then i started searching for updates just because i was currious (nothing more)

the search is simply done by a search for all files or folders that contain the text "KB952004"
and getting a list like :

W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_2k8_x86.apm
W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_vista_x64.apm
W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_vista_x64.apm_files
W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_vista_x86.apm
W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_vista_x86.apm_files
W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_vista_x64.apm_files\Windows6.0-KB952004-x64.msu
W:\Autopatcher\modules\Critical\KB952004_vista_x86.apm_files\Windows6.0-KB952004-x86.msu

Clearly you can see the updates for some OS versions are there, but not all (tougth MS recomends it for ALL OS versions)
I couldnt find this fix for windows xp nor win2003 ( i've read win2003 is currently in a passive state but i guess xp is still alive no :-) )


I know you dont recomend to put all updates for all OS versions in one folder, but i still have win2000 and win2003 and xp running here and this is for me the most flexible solution to get all my updates in one go, then distribute it allong my boxes.

[Cristiano]

> Clearly you can see the updates for some OS versions are there, but not all (tougth MS recomends it for ALL OS versions
clearly, you didn't downloaded the script to some OS that you wish. it is in the ENU xp script and as well in ptb and ptg releases, as well in 2k enu. in order to get the module and the update for each OS, you need select to download the desired scripts. so, i'm missing the point where is missing something, because it is in all those scripts, you just didn't selected all the scripts to download. just think: what good is to someone that just have xp or vista have an update for 2k? due that, xp just download the xp version, vista download just the vista version, etc. ms releases a full bunch, that's all. we don't.

just to give you a hint, this is the changelog for xp enu:
#J+ 2009-03-10 Patch Tues: ~MRT; 006= +kb958690 -kb954211 & -kb959252-v2;
# 007= +kb960225 -kb935840 (on sp2 only); +kb959772;
# ~kb938464 (v2); ~kb958655 (v2); +xml4sp3 -kb954430; -old PreActions

clearly, the script have it, but you didn't run the xp script to get it, isn't?

edit, i've forgot to see KB952004 and you have missed the point that i've said before. this one was released at this last Patch Tuesday. some scripts already have it, just that. each release is updated according to the free time that the releaser have. i do have insomnia. due that, sometimes i have some extra free time (because i'm unable to sleep). i'm holding the xp ptb, ptg and vista x64. those have KB952004. domenico probably already had time to do the vista x32 script, but james is kinda busy with some things. everybody has his personal life and his own problems. ms has a lot of people to do some jobs and has a full month to prepare that ISO. so, why should we do the job that ms takes a full month to do in less than 1 week? just give us 1 week to complete the task, please

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KB958690 critical rating for all OS versions ....

This update is in 2000 SP4, XP SP3 x86, Vista SP1 x86, I don't know about the x64 releases.

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DetectFile=\modules\Critical\KB958690_2K_enu.apm_files\Windows2000-KB958690-x86-ENU.EXE
DetectFile=\modules\Critical\KB958690_xp_x86_enu.apm_files\WindowsXP-KB958690-x86-ENU.exe
DetectFile=\modules\Critical\KB958690_vista_x86.apm_files\Windows6.0-KB958690-x86.msu

KB952004 is missing from these scripts, but I'm sure it will be added in the near future.

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I know you dont recomend to put all updates for all OS versions in one folder,

You can have everything in the same main directory if you will, just not the same modules directory.
See This Post - the section on "independent release directories".

Mike

[pol]

gUiTaR_mIkE, on Apr 19 2009, 03:23 AM, said:

You can have everything in the same main directory if you will, just not the same modules directory.
See This Post - the section on "independent release directories".

Ok ok, i got your point guys :-)
I dont want to upset you :-)

Ill rest my case about the updates.

The only thing i honestly find somewhat implemented poorly is the fact that you need to keep a distinct setup for each OS version.

On the other hand, great job guys ! i know what a mess the MS update system is, and how you guys try to make a solid foundation of it.

[Cristiano]

> that you need to keep a distinct setup for each OS version.
you don't really need that. in fact, autopatcher was designed to that. but in that time, we was with an full crew and we had a lot more of free time. now, our free time has gone and most of our crew too. due that, we don't have the proper time to do all the scripts at the same time. due that, when some script is updated, another one may not and you will receive error messages. but you can keep all scripts in a single folder, it just may give you a lot of errors, just that. of course, the time required to load all modules will increase a lot too...

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Ok ok, i got your point guys :-) I dont want to upset you :-)

I'm not sure why you think anyone is upset? You asked a few questions and we tried to answer you as best we could. Other users
also read these posts as well.

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Ill rest my case about the updates.

It is true the APUP scripts were missing KB952004, this isn't uncommon. The way this gets handled usually is the user will notice
the missing update and post a note in the appropriate "Hotfix Depot" forum, the dev. team will consider the hotfix and if it is needed
it will be added - done.

BTW, I did look at the link for the March 2009 Security Release ISO Image. I didn't investigate too deeply but 549MB for 5 updates
seemed strange (excessive) - I must be overlooking something I guess.

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(edited) The only thing i find implemented poorly is...a distinct setup for each OS version.

There are good reasons to keep the OSs separate:
...To keep the size down if you should want to copy a release to other media - my releases would take up nearly 2GB. I don't want to
"copy" all 2GB every time just to update a Windows XP box. Add a few more OSs and you will be looking at 3+GB or more.
...All releases need to be verified, this takes time (more time the more releases you have in the same modules folder).
...If a release should be Official but it is showing Unofficial, the more files you have to sort through makes finding the stray file(s) even
more difficult to track down.

Mike

[James]

gUiTaR_mIkE, on Apr 20 2009, 12:49 AM, said:

... I did look at the link for the March 2009 Security Release ISO Image. I didn't investigate too deeply but 549MB for 5 updates
seemed strange (excessive) - I must be overlooking something I guess.

These ISO images are intended for multi-national corporations. They contain ONLY one month's Security Updates, but in every possible language that Microsoft has a release for.

Last time I checked, a complete copy of ALL updates for every language runs to about 60 (sixty) GigaBytes. That's for just the Security Updates!!

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These ISO images are intended for multi-national corporations.

That would make sense. I did notice the updates in various languages, I just wasn't sure why an end-user would be interested
in the ISO as seemingly pol was (is).

Mike