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[TechSwap]

Here's my report back on my complete switch over to 7 x64 O/S Ultimate has gone off without much hitch only problem was with a older dvd burner not recognized in device manager so I took that drive out and will get a second dvd drive to replace it so I will be back to 2 dvd burners. The other problem so far was it didn't like Nero 6 ultra so I will have to get a new version of Nero 9 reloaded which I read will work with 7 but still it's expensive to get but I did like it's cd music text burn feature so I will have to shell out the money when I do decided to get it when 9 reloaded comes out-which I only found on Nero site so far for Reloaded. Beyond that all my older programs I used loaded and installed in x86 program files and works ok. I did manage to find some of my programs in x64 version and drivers as well so I used those. I did notice that with my IE x64 and FF x64 browsers that some sites had problem with those browsers but it's nothing I can't live without. Adobe CS4 installed without much fanfare as well and installed x64 bits of it's software since now I use a x64 O/S system. Other then waiting for when they release a Autopatcher in Win7, I am currently using Belarc to find that needed parts but that wasn't to much to download. Also the interface I like how it is setup but since I had used vista before but not as my O/S didn't take much to get used to it. I do like it's default power save shutting off HDD isn't running or being used-cause I can hears when a drive power down and kicks back on. I know this because I left it idle one time and I thought my computer had died but moving the mouse around it came back on. I couldn't use one of my printers cd software driver so when had to look on the net so I didn't have all the options of it but what it installed gave me enough options on it. So I have to admit at this point in time using Win7 the general experience so far is coming back with a good confidence that this O/S might really be the bigger brother to XP pro not Vista 2.0 *ack*... As for now only time using and installing x64 and x86 software will tell how well it goes but it hasn't shown any problems running x86 software in a full x64 O/S system. Oh yeah, forgot I might just as well upgrade my current motherboard memory from 4G to 16G if I can afford it other wise it will be 2G stick making 8G but I guess it's more then my current 4G. I'll add more as time goes on or others on their experience so far as well.

[Cristiano]

> Nero 6 ultra
this one is for xp only. you will receive warnings about the usage of this version even with vista

> Nero 9
there's an free version, that can be downloaded from here. it's basic, but works

> that wasn't to much to download
i had to update one dell, running windows seven basic x64 this sunday. i had to download something like 300MB, just for the system.

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[TechSwap]

hmm ... I had to only download 5 updates to 7 after the installation. Yes, I did do a check on Nero site and they do mention nero 9 reloaded is suppose to work with 7 now. But Nero 6 was a good program for me though since I bought it a long time ago. But no big disaster so far or BSOD and if I got any one of those two I would wipe and reformat and reinstall the O/S. Yeah, the free limited Nero is nice but win 7 will burn image as well and I already have slysoft program to burn already. But I would like to have Nero when I needed it. I had to only download 12MB of updates and that was all. 300MB, wow that is alot I have to admit.

Edited by TechSwap, 23 November 2009 - 10:39 PM.

[Cristiano]

> 5 updates to 7 after the installation
check again. there's several updates for this one and some of them you only will see in a 2nd or 3rd run of windows update. but ok, some of the downloads could be related to dell crapware

> Nero 6 was a good program for me
for me too. but "was" is the right term for it. it doesn't fit for vista and beyond. the results are bsod etc etc etc

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[TechSwap]

Yes, I did like 6 alot it did what I wanted it to do. Guess I will have to look at Nero 9 Reloaded and see what it does with Win7x64. I'll do a reinstall again of 7's and finalize it and then I'll see if I want to have Nero 9 Re or not but I think in the end I probably will get 9Re. Just cause I like it better then Roxio *gah* bad experiences with this software. Other then that I would have to say this is one version I would recommend people get Win7x64 Ult if they can afford it. Espesicuall now that I am running quad core which I read from reviews works better with the newer CPU's. I haven't had any problems loading other x86 software with Win7 but that probably cause I don't load to many software. I learned from experience to keep those I like and dump those that don't work and so far those I kept and updated seem to run well with Win7x64.

[Cristiano]

well, i had to re-install yesterday an seven home basic x64, very similar to the first one that i've tried. in a first run, only from windows, i had to download about 60MB. in a 2nd run, another 20 and after nero, a couple more (don't ask me why, but nero 9 install an obsolete version of msxml 4). for office 2007 student, the updates was more than 140MB. as for x64, well, you will require 2 java (x32 and x64). but you can manage it

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[TechSwap]

Would it be better to just install java x64 instead of x86 java or will those two conflict with each other?? I installed x64 java and have FF x86 install and running and didn't seem to notice any problems?? Would there be a reason to have x86 java if x64 java works?

[Cristiano]

> install java x64 instead of x86 java or will those two conflict with each other?
in fact, you must have booth, because certain instructions aim x32 only

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[TechSwap]

I only used java x64 so far with my Shiretoko and FF and haven't notice any problems in Win7x64? Is there a way to test if I need both or just one?? I just feel having both would cause more problems then helps??

[Cristiano]

for those questions, i don't know for sure. i don't run an x64 system, but every single x64 machine that i've already fixed had booth, including those that was x64 from the factory. at least in here, even dell deploys the java x64 and x32 when sells x64 OS's

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[TechSwap]

Well then I just use 64 cause only in IE8x64 will java inform me that I need x64 java. Cause Shiretoko won't show that message. I found that out when I tried both x64 browsers it showed in IE8 but not Shiretoko x64. So I can only assume it didn't need it in Shiretoko but needed it in IEx64. But I have used it so far without x32 java and nothing has dumped or BSOD on me yet. So, I think I will stick with x64 drivers until the program specify that it needs a x32 version.

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For the 32-bit browsers use the 32-bit Java plug-in, for the 64-bit browsers use the 64-bit Java plug-in. You can have both versions installed
if you should have the need to switch between 32-bit and 64-bit browsers.

[TechSwap]

I did just that both x86 and x64 java as well as both visual C++ 2005 and 2008 x86, x64. I use both version of browsers in either x86 or x64. I did do a final install and activate and update and found the amount of updates I needed totalled only around 70Megs. My computer is custom built so that might be why I didn't need that much updates because I downloaded drivers and software for each hardware and program so that might be why my actually windows update might be smaller. But beyond that I myself wouldn't say this is one of the O/S that I would recommend for new and old users considering I was a former XP pro sp3 user. So far the x64 O/S is going good so far and the experience is good to report back.

[TechSwap]

A side note of side effects of win7. I notice that if you ever have a software shutdown problem or unable to kill a task that if you didn't make a image of your previous working win7 O/S that you will have to restart all over again or have windows do a repair. Of which I don't like the repair option so I was glad I did a most current working Image backup so as to not have to redo the install all over again. This seems to be a reoccurring problem sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't??? It's odd even though I have all the updates. So for anyone not thinking of doing this don't be surprise if something pops up and you can't shutdown your computer cause that's what happens to me. When this happens I just reboot the working image and reinstall any software or update and remake the image again so that I know it's a working image incase it happens again. I learn this the hard way not making a current working image from last working image with updates and updated software to prevent long reinstall delays and lost computing times.

[hairyfeet]

TechSwap, on 23 November 2009 - 01:17 PM, said:

Here's my report back on my complete switch over to 7 x64 O/S Ultimate has gone off without much hitch only problem was with a older dvd burner not recognized in device manager so I took that drive out and will get a second dvd drive to replace it so I will be back to 2 dvd burners. The other problem so far was it didn't like Nero 6 ultra so I will have to get a new version of Nero 9 reloaded which I read will work with 7 but still it's expensive to get but I did like it's cd music text burn feature so I will have to shell out the money when I do decided to get it when 9 reloaded comes out-which I only found on Nero site so far for Reloaded. Beyond that all my older programs I used loaded and installed in x86 program files and works ok. I did manage to find some of my programs in x64 version and drivers as well so I used those. I did notice that with my IE x64 and FF x64 browsers that some sites had problem with those browsers but it's nothing I can't live without. Adobe CS4 installed without much fanfare as well and installed x64 bits of it's software since now I use a x64 O/S system. Other then waiting for when they release a Autopatcher in Win7, I am currently using Belarc to find that needed parts but that wasn't to much to download. Also the interface I like how it is setup but since I had used vista before but not as my O/S didn't take much to get used to it. I do like it's default power save shutting off HDD isn't running or being used-cause I can hears when a drive power down and kicks back on. I know this because I left it idle one time and I thought my computer had died but moving the mouse around it came back on. I couldn't use one of my printers cd software driver so when had to look on the net so I didn't have all the options of it but what it installed gave me enough options on it. So I have to admit at this point in time using Win7 the general experience so far is coming back with a good confidence that this O/S might really be the bigger brother to XP pro not Vista 2.0 *ack*... As for now only time using and installing x64 and x86 software will tell how well it goes but it hasn't shown any problems running x86 software in a full x64 O/S system. Oh yeah, forgot I might just as well upgrade my current motherboard memory from 4G to 16G if I can afford it other wise it will be 2G stick making 8G but I guess it's more then my current 4G. I'll add more as time goes on or others on their experience so far as well.

As a Win7 HP X64 user and former Nero user might I suggest you go to ninite.com and try out IMGBurn? It is totally free, and for a former Nero User it is quite nice and has features that make it IMHO better than Nero. Most importantly Nero has a MAX of 80Mb buffering, whereas IMGBurn allows up to 512Mb. Since switching I have yet to make a single coaster no matter how many tasks I have going while burning. Really nice. There are a ton of free programs there to choose from and most importantly NO TOOLBARS. The ninite installer sets everything up without getting those lousy toolbars that so many programs like Java and CCleaner come with now.

As for more memory? I highly recommend it. I have found that with my setup (AMD Deneb 925 quad, 780V mobo, dual 500Gb drives, 4650 1Gb) that going from 4Gb to 8Gb did make everything even more snappy. I have found that unlike Vista the superfetch on Win7 actually works quite well and has learned my programs and keeps the most used ready to go in memory. There is also Readyboost, and I would recommend having any decent 4-16Gb drive used for it if you have one to spare. It won't make a huge difference, but I have found that by using the much faster SSD for Superfetch and frequently used .dlls with Readyboost it does make coming out of sleep faster. Also if you are a gamer or are running really memory intensive apps I would suggest Tuneup Utilities 2010, which is $30 but well worth it thanks to "turbo mode", which is a one click tray button that shuts down memory intensive background tasks and gives priority to your app. Plus it does nice features in the background like find and remove orphan shortcuts and monitors HDD SMART data.

Anyway good luck on your new Win7 x64. I have also found it to be much better than XP or Vista when it comes to performance as well as look and feel. I like the new Win7 x64 so much I went out and bought the family pack and switched my family over. The increased security and stability were WELL worth it, especially for my dad who can crash XP like you would not believe. Good luck and I hope you try IMGBurn. It will burn just about any kind of data and is pretty foolproof. Good luck!

[hairyfeet]

TechSwap, on 08 December 2009 - 06:20 PM, said:

A side note of side effects of win7. I notice that if you ever have a software shutdown problem or unable to kill a task that if you didn't make a image of your previous working win7 O/S that you will have to restart all over again or have windows do a repair. Of which I don't like the repair option so I was glad I did a most current working Image backup so as to not have to redo the install all over again. This seems to be a reoccurring problem sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't??? It's odd even though I have all the updates. So for anyone not thinking of doing this don't be surprise if something pops up and you can't shutdown your computer cause that's what happens to me. When this happens I just reboot the working image and reinstall any software or update and remake the image again so that I know it's a working image incase it happens again. I learn this the hard way not making a current working image from last working image with updates and updated software to prevent long reinstall delays and lost computing times.

Hi again! What you need to fix the shutdown problem is this, the Windows club Windows Tweaker. It is designed to tell if you are running Vista or 7, and only offer you the relevant fixes. It also has a handy create restore point option and any fix can be undone if you decide later you don't want it. But it has fixes for the most common WinVista and Win7 problems including the shutdown hang bug. It is rare but as you have found it is a PITA if it happens. But it is a really nice tool to have if you are running Vista or 7. Only 350k, no need to install, and over 150 tweaks that let you fix and customize everything from UAC to network settings. The tweak you are wanting is under "system performance and will allow you to set auto end hung apps/services as well as dial in exactly how long Windows waits via a slider. I hope this helps!

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hairyfeet said:

those lousy toolbars that so many programs like Java and CCleaner come with now.

Two versions of CCleaner that have no toolbars are Slim and Portable, I use Portable and prefer it. If you run either as a
non-admin I do believe there are limitations on what CCleaner can clean but if run as an admin both work the same as the
full installer - so I'm told anyway. The full installer will not install without admin rights I believe.

Also, the Java packaged in the AutoPatcher release doesn't install a toolbar.

BTW, I really like Windows 7 so far but to fully realize it's potential don't under build a system, it will never function
like it does in any presentation video for the OS.

[hairyfeet]

gUiTaR_mIkE, on 01 January 2010 - 08:03 PM, said:

Two versions of CCleaner that have no toolbars are Slim and Portable, I use Portable and prefer it. If you run either as a
non-admin I do believe there are limitations on what CCleaner can clean but if run as an admin both work the same as the
full installer - so I'm told anyway. The full installer will not install without admin rights I believe.

Also, the Java packaged in the AutoPatcher release doesn't install a toolbar.

BTW, I really like Windows 7 so far but to fully realize it's potential don't under build a system, it will never function
like it does in any presentation video for the OS.

While I keep the portable version on my flash (along with my full PC repair toolkit) for cleaning customer's PCs I have found Ninite really great for sending a link to the friends/relatives that just aren't PC savvy. They have over 90 of the most commonly used apps (Firefox, CCleaner, Flash/shockwave, Java, etc) and since there isn't any toolbars you can just send it to them without having to say "And on the third screen uncheck the fourth box" and just let Ninite do all the work.

I agree about the system reqs as well. I tell my customers a minimum dual core and 3Gb for the x86 version, 4Gb for x64. I am running an AMD quad with 8Gb of RAM and Windows 7 flies and is MUCH nicer than either XP x64 or Vista x64. XP x64 ran with very low resources but didn't have the niceties like WMC, and no matter how much I tweaked even with 4Gb of RAM Vista x64 thrashed the HDD like there was no tomorrow. Windows 7 is faster, more efficient, and the UAC doesn't drive me nuts like Vista. And with AMD quads starting at just $100 and RAM and GPUs being so cheap, why starve your system? I paid a whole $60 for 8Gb of RAM, and my 1Gb 4650 was $35 after rebate. In this day and age it just doesn't make sense to starve a system when Windows 7 can handle scaling so nicely.

BTW if you haven't tried Readyboost I recommend it. Even with 8Gb of RAM I've found having an 8Gb Readyboost drive makes suspend/resume (thanks to hybrid sleep) and my most commonly used tasks run faster thanks to the speed of SSD over HDD when it comes to random reads. It is like buying 8Gb of SSD cache for your drives without the added expense of going full hybrid drives. The speed boost isn't a lot but it is noticeable, and with flash sticks at $20 for 8Gb it is silly IMHO not to take advantage of such an easy speed boost.

[TechSwap]

hairyfeet, on 03 January 2010 - 02:28 PM, said:

I paid a whole $60 for 8Gb of RAM

How did you come buy the price for 8G from what online seller did you get that price I don't see any price that low for 8G Ram??? Are you sure on that price and if so what site was it at?

[TechSwap]

hairyfeet, on 01 January 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

As a Win7 HP X64 user and former Nero user might I suggest you go to ninite.com and try out IMGBurn?

I don't use online installer to install program I can download and install myself. I would say if you can't figure out what to install and have to use ninite then your not a very good computer user. I already have Imgburn but that program has it limitation compared to the full Nero 9 Reloaded program.