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[Phariset]

So lets say i have a untouched i386 directory from windows xp sp3. Can autopatcher INTEGRATe the updates into the install rather than installing after the fact?

Thanks

[DesertJerry]

 Phariset, on 11 February 2010 - 07:33 PM, said:

So lets say i have a untouched i386 directory from windows xp sp3. Can autopatcher INTEGRATe the updates into the install rather than installing after the fact?

Thanks

Nope - you use nLite or the RyanVM Integrator to do that.

[Cristiano]

sorry to disagree, but autopatcher can integrate the updates, it's just tricky to do. plus, this is the worst decision possible, because the feature was designed only to match ms infos about integration software. just try it once and yours will know what i'm talking, but a hint: autopatcher doesn't rebuild the install, like nlite does. the result is a bunch of uncompressed files that will work like a charm, but will be oversized and will not fit to an cd media, even if you rip out of the cd everything that isn't required, like the extra stuff. worst: to add this "feature", the nobackup feature was removed. yes, you can uninstall every single update without this feature, but the time required to install everything could be cut by half if the nobackup feature was in there.

imho, this feature could be left to those that does that since always, like nlite

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[DesertJerry]

 Cristiano, on 12 February 2010 - 12:57 AM, said:

sorry to disagree, but autopatcher can integrate the updates, it's just tricky to do. []s

OK - I stand corrected but I, for one, have never used nLite but I do use the RyanVM Integrator or the Siginet Office Integrator whenever I deem it necessary to create new CDs for Windows XP or for Office XP/2003.

[Phariset]

Dont most windows updates have an /integrate switch? Would it be to difficult to change the switches on the installs for the updates to /integrate or is there more to it?

I dont want to use nlite or any other program because if you "integrate" too many sources into one project, things get messed up. I alreayd have my own unattended script that uses integrated and auto-installed programs, combined with auto-it scripts and autopatcher. I'm worried if i have to add more software to make it work, something is going to go wrong. Oh and all this from a flash drive

[Cristiano]

> Dont most windows updates have an /integrate switch?
most of them have and all the ones that has can be integrated with autopatcher due that. but the problem isn't integrate, autopatcher does that. the problem is that autopatcher doesn't rebuild the files that was compressed and the integration process from the files also doesn't that. so, if you choose the integration option from autopatcher and deploy only the critical updates, the result will be bigger than 700mb. if you choose the remaining ones it will be far worst. of course, you can burn that into an dvd media that will work. it will even install faster, because the files will not be compressed, but not all machines has an dvd drive. another issue: you will be unable to integrate ie8/7 and wmp11 and also all their updates with autopatcher

i don't remember right now the string, i just remember that this was part of an talk that i had with James long ago, but since i'm not sleeping well since long ago, my memory isn't the same anymore. but i can find the string again (i did once and i'm sure that i'm able to find again), but i don't have time right now. so, if despite all those issues you still wanna choose the integration mode, let me know that i will look for it. but an advise: it isn't an good idea

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[Phariset]

Thats ok but thankyou. If I want to go with the integrate method, I'll do it manually by hand. But as it stands now, 30 minutes for a fully updated (well practically) with 4 software installs and tweaks for either xp or vista isnt bad (this is done from flash drive installs...dvd would be slower).

[Cristiano]

> I'll do it manually by hand
you will have the same issue than with autopatcher. personally, i advise nlite to that. with that, you can integrate msie and wmp without worries and the install media will not become oversized

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[DesertJerry]

I personally prefer the RyanVM Integrator.

These are the instructions I wrote for myself to gain space during the process:

First thing to do is to copy the XP Home or Pro with SP3 CD to the hard drive (assume over 700Gb of space will be required).

To save space when integrating the following folders can be deleted as sub-folders under \I386 as they are only used for an upgrade of an older version of Windows: \WIN9XMIG, \WIN9XUPG, \WINNTUPG.

Also delete \LANG if English only is to be used.

The above listed files/folders are not updated/modified/changed using the RyanVM Integrator which is why they can be deleted. If the user wants to later install/reinstall a program from one of these folders they can just use the original XP Home or Pro with SP3 CD.

The above actions are done to have an increase in space when the final WinXP w/SP3 Integrated ISO is to be created because of the additional Addons and/or Driver Packs space requirements.

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DesertJerry said:

...copy the XP Home or Pro with SP3 CD to the hard drive (assume over 700Gb of space will be required).

Whoa! - what all do you have on that disc ... JK!

[DesertJerry]

 gUiTaR_mIkE, on 14 March 2010 - 04:56 AM, said:

Whoa! - what all do you have on that disc ... JK!

That is/was the approximate size of the original XP Pro CD I had. (I may have overestimated by a bit but in todays world of terabyte hard drives what's a few hundred megabytes?)

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DesertJerry said:

That is/was the approximate size of the original XP Pro CD I had.

Hmm, OK, I thought it was a typo. So you have an XP CD that is more than twice the size of my hard drive - 320gigs?

I thought maybe what you meant to write was 700mb / not 700gb, sorry, didn't mean anything by it.