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Posted 15 September 2010 - 11:49 AM

Cristiano said:

it's possible download only the .apm files from an template, made an list and compare it by kb number. to that, an simple dir /b /s *.apm >list.txt may do the trick.
Good tip :) I may have you explain in more detail once this thing finally gets going. I wonder if OpenOffice will work, I don't want to install MS Office.

Btw, do you know how to get apup.exe v1301 to run locally and be visible, is there an additional switch that can be added?

If not, using apup.exe v1006 will be necessary so the user can easily quit the process if they choose rather than using task manager or some other tool to kill the download if they should need to?

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 12:17 PM

2kquickstart1.png: The only thing here is I decided to change the folder name - keep the path short - image #4 to -> \win_2k_sp4, also the readme -> readme_2k_enu.apm

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2kshortcuts2.png: It is easier to setup and run locally, much faster than the time it has taken me to write all these words - try it and see - really :) We will have to run the script locally so learn how to do it, no other choice at this point. Also, unless you don't mind having APUP disappear on you when you run the local script, we will need 2 versions of apup.exe, v1006 is the only version I have saved that will stay open when a script is run locally.

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Note: To save the image, right-click image - Save_Image_As..., save to a location of your choosing.

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 08:25 PM

> I wonder if OpenOffice will work
it will. the first time that i've did that i only had openoffice (in my case, broffice, because someone has openoffice as tm in here). so, let's try it:
- first, it's far more easy do it if you don't do that straight from modules folder. it will work anyway, but then you will not have an template good enough. then, just open an cmd window. as an test, i've tested an comparison between xp ptb and enu. so, first go to critical folder, then run something like dir /b /a-d *.apm >list.txt if you wish get an list from the subfolders too, then add /s into the command. the /a-d will make you loose the folders, making your comparison far more clean

- after that command, you will have at critical (or the folder that you are scanning) an file named list.txt. you will have something like this:
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do you wanna clean it even more? open that file into notepad and replace all -x86-PTB.apm or anything else that you don't wanna by nothing. this will remove the undesired data, leaving just the kb number, like this:
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now, select everything and paste it into openoffice calc. now, repeat the same process into the same folder into the target, but paste the results in another column (eg: B ). if you wish, sort the columns by name (it will help a lot).

now, compare the columns. the kb numbers that was suppose to exist must match. let's suppose that at A2 you have KB2079403 and at B2 you have KB2079404. the columns don't match, right? but take a look, between booth, you have KB890830 and KB2115168. what was supposed to be between them? now, you know that there's an kb missing. so, now select everything else in that column and move it to the line where the kb numbers match side by side again. the empty spaces are now the missing ones and you already know the ones that have become obsolete :)

also, an tip: the registry detection is common to all languages and the only one change will be at the file detection. if you wish, you can extract the content of the kb and fill FileMD5, but if you think that check for the presence of the file is enough, then FileMD5=ANY is good enough. the problem: sometimes, the .cat file changes between the versions of the same kb. if you don't have the md5, you will detect the new version and the old version as the same

> apup.exe v1301 to run locally and be visible
no. it only worked in remote mode, hosted into an site, with an command similar to this one: apup.exe /log /listfile:http://www.autopatcher.com

i will ask antony if there's an hidden command that i'm not aware of

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Edited by Cristiano, 15 September 2010 - 08:31 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:17 AM

Well, some good news! :) Cristiano was nice enough to allow for a small space on the AutoPatcher ftp for our Win_2K_SP4 project, this means about 99% of my instructions and most of the headache will be eliminated by using the ftp but - we still need to create one shortcut_one time to allow apup.exe access to our scripts. I will explain this later.

If you create the shortcut correctly, you should get a list similiar to what you see now when you run APUP but this list will be our scripts only - 1 for AutoPatcher Updater, 1 for AutoPatcher Engine, and our Win_2K_SP4 script - pretty cool :) We can use the latest apup.exe as well, including the option to 'Remember Selections'.

I will try and get something up in a few days to test your skills at creating a specialized shortcut. You will know something is wrong if you see the long list of available AutoPatcher packages (or nothing at all), just close APUP and recheck your shortcut path (again, I will try and explain this later).

If you fire up APUP and you see only 3 scripts including our Win_2K_SP4 project - your golden, you will use this shortcut to get the latest script to update the project just like all other AutoPatcher releases. Btw, this will eliminate having to extract zip files - the whole ball of wax. The script will do everything (expect some issues along the way).

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 02:15 AM

I created the project folder on the ftp and uploaded the win2k release list file. If you get everything setup correctly you should see the 3 scripts when apup.exe is run from the shortcut - see attached image. The Windows 2000 script isn't available for download but it is on the list that's why it is displayed.

What you need to do is create a new Win2K release folder - name it whatever you want to but please keep the path and name short and don't bury this release in with other AutoPatcher releases - 'c:\win2k' is as simple as it gets. This will be my example. Then, create the shortcut to find the new list. Finally, test the shortcut by downloading the remaining AutoPatcher files to complete the 'base' structure including autopatcher.exe.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:08 AM

mike, seems that there's an Error 404 - Not Found with http://www.autopatch...20100918.script

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 03:09 PM

Cristiano said:

mike, seems that there's an Error 404 - Not Found with http://www.autopatch...20100918.script
True, the Windows 2000 script isn't avaiable because I haven't uploaded one yet but it does display in APUP. I mention it here...

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The Windows 2000 script isn't available for download but it is on the list that's why it is displayed.
I need to get to work on the script - the .list is all that can be reached for now - win2kcustom.list :) which I need to better state the release - Windows 2000 SP4 Professional (Custom) English

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 04:20 PM

oh, sorry. i didn't saw that was hosted only the releases.list. i know for sure that i have the install disks for the ptb version of win2k, but i don't remember if i have the disks for the enu version. it could work as an vm to help testing

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:06 PM

-> oh, sorry. i didn't saw that was hosted only the releases.list

No big deal, I'm kinda doing things backwards anyway :)

-> but i don't remember if i have the disks for the enu version. it could work as an vm to help testing

Me too, I know I updated my install disc but I have no idea where I put it. One of the problems is I have a couple hundred unmarked cases (I never write on the discs), I thought I had a system down - Green cases for music, Red cases for applications, Yellow cases for OSes & tools like AutoPatcher etc. What the heck are my Blue cases for, anyone know :)

Btw, the script for windows reads - Windows 2000 SP4 Professional (Custom) English - the Custom part really has to do with a few things being different from ongoing AutoPatcher releases: I may leave out "Slipstream" (better ways to do this) and "Removal" (use Add/Remove Programs) from the modules. Also, I may have AutoPatcher display the release name a bit different in the main window. Again, this is why I have asked for this release to be separate, when we get it finished make an ISO image, burn it to disk and be done with it.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:55 PM

> I may leave out "Slipstream"
one idea only: when that option first arrived, we had to edit every single module to add that option. i never tested remove it, but antonis once said that this is required. may be an idea leave it blank, at least, like this:
[Removal]

[Slipstream]

and, for sure, those options should be done from add/remove programs. but ok, for tweaks, that comes in handy

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 02:40 AM

-> but antonis once said that this is required. may be an idea leave it blank,

Very important Tip! - thank you :) I made note of it, hope I remember to read my notes.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:06 PM

I've been doing some more background searching over the last couple of days and found what may be a solution to getting a final slipstreamed W2K disk.

You may recall I mentioned that my W2KSP4+Update1 fresh install of W2K produced a list of available updates in its Automatic Updates window. But I couldn't find away to export or print the list.

Well, I found a command line utility called WUINstall which did just that. Apparently it has an interface to Windows Update on the PC and fetches the info from it. So now I have a list of updates with friendly names (most include the KB number). WUInstall also has an option to actually download the updates but it puts these in the WINNT\SoftWareUpdates\Download folder in a format which can not be used in NLite. NLite seems to require the patches/updates to be .exe files.

WUInstall is at

http://wuinstall.com/index.php/en/free

So I then found "Windows Updates Downloader" which is driven by an "Updates List" file. The danger is that the updates list file is not complete, but it seemed to contain nearly all of the entries in the list that was got by WUINstall. So in WindowsUpdatesDownloader I ticked all of the entries that were in the WUINstall list and it downloaded all of the corresponding .exe files to a folder on my hard drive. For those entries which were in the WUINstall list but were NOT in the WindowsUpdateDownloader - there were only 8 so I downloaded these .exe files manually from the Microsoft site.

WindowsUpdatesDownloader can be found here

http://www.windowsup...downloader.com/

So now I should have a set of .exe files for all of the required patches/updates. I haven't yet loaded these all into NLite to make a slipstream yet, but I'm hopeful that this will work OK.

The only thing that is missing is something with the ability to install all of the .exe files in one go (instead of having to run each one individually which would take some time). This might be required if at some point in the future you had to install W2K from an old partition image but it hadn't been fully updated with all of the modern patches. If at that time Microsoft had removed all of the updates from their site then Automatic Updates would not be able to fetch them. If Autopatcher had been able to work with all of the patches up to June 2010 then I guess it would do this job, but if not then some method of running all of these patch .exe files would be handy.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:27 PM

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I've been doing some more background searching over the last couple of days and found what may be a solution to getting a final slipstreamed W2K disk.
Excellent news, good to hear you found what you needed. :)

This might be a good place to stop the public Win2K project, seeing you found what you needed and the other person (can't remember the name right now) has been absent from any discussion. So, consider the Win2K project cancelled due to weather (lack of interest). This is actually a good thing, I can work on it in my own time and taylor it to my needs - this works for me.

Btw, WUD is a decent program but I did think it was getting behind, good to know it is still useful.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:30 PM

Well, to bad that the project was put on hold due to "bad weather" ... I have been away from this forum a long time (having much to do) and discover this only now. (And I never got an e-mail about something to test...)

Windows Updates Downloader is apparently dead, since the download lists haven't been updated since March 2010.

A good alternative to Autopatcher for Windows 2000 (and any actual Windows system as well as Office) is "WSUS Offline": http://download.wsusoffline.net/
But in many ways I like the Autopatcher better ...

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:56 AM

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A good alternative to Autopatcher is "WSUS Offline"
Yes, WSUS is good but not great. I wish there was better documentation in English. My last experience with the tool left me wondering why it didn't allow users more flexibility when updating. What I remember was it forced me to install some things I did not want. This may have changed, it has been over a year since I tested it in a VM.

Overall, AutoPatcher is so much better (IMO :)), it gives you more flexibility and if users can live with the Unofficial status they can easily make their own custom releases with only the patches they want to include.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 07:48 AM

WSUS Offline will be dropping Windows 2000 from their next release (if they haven't already done the next release without it). The previous release was the last with Office 2000 support.

What I don't like about WSUS Offline is how little control there is for what or what not to install.





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