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[Cristiano]

it's located under the stand alones:

of course, as i'm running seven x64, i only can see the module for seven x64

but i've found the issue: an \ instead / in the releases.list... it shall work now

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[DesertJerry]

XP Pro w/SP3

Ran APUP > Security items downloaded this time > appeared in black, as expected as neither program is installed here in XP Pro.

Disagree with placing these items under Stand Alone as they are both considered Windows Addons - they should be moved to that location.

[Cristiano]

perhaps. but works anyway

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[DesertJerry]

Booted to XP Pro x64 w/SP2

Started AutoPatcher > Windows Defender shows in blue - as expected - Windows Defender installed here.

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What about this, create a new category (not a sub category) that would display with Critical and Recommended - same level... Microsoft Windows - Security Tools

I know 890830 has to be in the release to match WU/MU but move it in the main script to Microsoft Windows - Security Tools, also, as the user selects the script, 'Defender' and 'MSE' would also download to this folder - you would have...

Microsoft Windows - Security Tools
..........MRT (KB890830) - a mandatory download from main script
..........WD - Optional - from selected script
..........MSE - Optional - from selected script

[DesertJerry]

Booted #1 system into Win7 32- and then 64-bit.

Started AutoPatcher > Security > Microsoft Security Essentials shown in blue - as expected - is installed on both Win7 operating systems.

NOTE: Microsoft Security Essentials should be listed with version number to be consistent with other installed software.

Booted #2 system into XP Pro w/SP3.

Started Autopatcher > Security > Windows Defender in blue - as expected - is installed; Microsoft Security Essentials shown in black - as expected - not installed here.

Booted #2 into Win7 32-bit w/SP1 beta

Started Autopatcher > Security > Microsoft Security Essentials in blue - as expected - is installed.

So, everything seems to be ok and worked as expected.

Disgaree with comments above by Guitar Mike - still think it should be Windows Addons with sub-folder Microsoft Security - Windows Defender and Microsoft Security Essentials are addons.

Edited by DesertJerry, 12 September 2010 - 05:06 AM.

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DesertJerry said:

Disgaree with comments above by Guitar Mike

Well good for you, is this a competition? What's with and all your disagreeing - you nor I have any say about the issue! I was making a suggestion - I don't care if anyone listens to me or not.

I'm not sure how you put any of the afore mentioned Security Tools on par with PowerToys, TweakUI, Flash, Desktop Search, a Control Panel applet etc. These particular tools may not be the best but they sure are different than anything in Addons. I would guess you think DirectX and DotNet should be in Addons as well rather than Components? Btw, that is a rhetorical statement .

I will leave you and Cristiano to argue about it, Cristiano will do as he sees fit and it looks as if it's done already.

[Cristiano]

in fact, i've asked domenico about it too. personally, i really don't care about where those fit, since i never will run those tools. but a lot of users will. i just think that ms security essentials is more like an antivirus software, that if created by the user (like some users in fact do for avg, avast, etc) will belong to stand alones. but it's just an point of view

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[DesertJerry]

I reviewed the comments in the books "Windows 7 Inside Out" and "Windows 7 Resource Kit" concerning the programs: 'Windows Defender' and 'Microsoft Security Essentials'.

Both books state that 'Windows Defender' is installed as a Service by default in both Win7 versions - 32-bit and 64-bit as an anti-spyware program. They also mention that 'Windows Security Essentials" is available as a download and is an anti-virus, anti-spyware program.

So, given the information that 'Windows Defender' is installed by default in Win7 and the user has no selection option to make and it can be downloaded and installed in XP Pro and Vista (32-bit and 64-bit) and that 'Microsoft Security Essentials' is available as a download for XP/Vista/Win7 (except for XP x64) I would suggest the AutoPatcher location be changed from Stand Alone > Microsoft Security to Microsoft Windows - Updated Components > Microsoft Security.

I would mention here that a program installed by default and running as a Service should not be listed as a Stand Alone program - how is that conclusion arrived at or justified?

[Cristiano]

perhaps. i've asked domenico about what he thinks about. so far, no answer. but we had an database crash this morning and he may not have seen that message yet due that. at least, i know for sure that frank reads their mails. less than 1/2 hour after mail him about the issue, we was back again

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