Assorted Queries (One Folder Per OS?/Patch...
darkarn
07 Nov 2011
Hi, I am working with dual-boot configs (Win XP (SP2 CD) and Win 7 (non-SP1 CD) ) and have the following queries.
1. Do I need one APUP folder per OS?
2. Is there a Readme or help documentation that I can refer to?
3. Does the process include all patches you need from a fresh install or only patches needed by the machine making the Autopatcher?
Thanks!
1. Do I need one APUP folder per OS?
2. Is there a Readme or help documentation that I can refer to?
3. Does the process include all patches you need from a fresh install or only patches needed by the machine making the Autopatcher?
Thanks!
ViroMan
07 Nov 2011
1) I would separate them so I can make separate update disks(if you want to make backups of the updates) but, I don't believe you need to.(I haven't seen the code for autopatcher.)
2) Read the pinned threads in this forum as well as the main threads for your chosen os. Not the whole thing but the first post of each (unless you want to read the whole thing.)
You didn't say if you had x86 or x64 so I only gave you the x86 links.
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
3) the scripts include all updates from a certain point on. For example
The AutoPatcher for Windows XP SP3 (x86) <-- this script expects you to already have installed sp3, thats why it says sp3. It will have all patches from SP3 on up to now. Unless Microsoft recently puts out an update or changes an old one.(which happens often.)
2) Read the pinned threads in this forum as well as the main threads for your chosen os. Not the whole thing but the first post of each (unless you want to read the whole thing.)
You didn't say if you had x86 or x64 so I only gave you the x86 links.
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
3) the scripts include all updates from a certain point on. For example
The AutoPatcher for Windows XP SP3 (x86) <-- this script expects you to already have installed sp3, thats why it says sp3. It will have all patches from SP3 on up to now. Unless Microsoft recently puts out an update or changes an old one.(which happens often.)
_def_x_
07 Nov 2011
Hi darkarn 
ViroMan summed it up pretty good, if you want more detail read on. I put these stock answers together for my friends who were a bit unsure of AutoPatcher & APUP "best practices". Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official
ViroMan summed it up pretty good, if you want more detail read on. I put these stock answers together for my friends who were a bit unsure of AutoPatcher & APUP "best practices". Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official
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ViroMan
08 Nov 2011
nice Guitar_Mike I would love it, if you to helped with the wiki when it comes online.
_def_x_
08 Nov 2011
ViroMan said:
I would love it, if you to helped with the wiki when it comes online.
I don't recall where I read it but I thought this last weekend was the date set to update IPB? Anyway, it would be a shame to delete the old content without first looking at it, maybe someone could recommend to Frank to move the old stuff to a temp directory on the ftp, \Stay.or.Go or \Keep.or.Delete, until members could have a look. I wont log on to the ftp without getting his permission first, I may not even have the updated info to do it.
I'm a bit dismayed that no one has stepped up to help Domenico. I had thought about offering to help him split the common script but I don't want to step on his business. If he wants my help he can PM me, I'll help if time permits.
It will be nice to finally see APUP v2, I've been holding my breath, I'm blue now, and figure I'll be purple (or worse) by final release day
ViroMan
08 Nov 2011
lol I can release it now but, the cancel button still doesn't work due to looking into alternate methods to download.
darkarn
08 Nov 2011
ViroMan, on 07 November 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:
1) I would separate them so I can make separate update disks(if you want to make backups of the updates) but, I don't believe you need to.(I haven't seen the code for autopatcher.)
2) Read the pinned threads in this forum as well as the main threads for your chosen os. Not the whole thing but the first post of each (unless you want to read the whole thing.)
You didn't say if you had x86 or x64 so I only gave you the x86 links.
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
3) the scripts include all updates from a certain point on. For example
The AutoPatcher for Windows XP SP3 (x86) <-- this script expects you to already have installed sp3, thats why it says sp3. It will have all patches from SP3 on up to now. Unless Microsoft recently puts out an update or changes an old one.(which happens often.)
2) Read the pinned threads in this forum as well as the main threads for your chosen os. Not the whole thing but the first post of each (unless you want to read the whole thing.)
You didn't say if you had x86 or x64 so I only gave you the x86 links.
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
http://www.autopatch...6-hotfix-depot/
3) the scripts include all updates from a certain point on. For example
The AutoPatcher for Windows XP SP3 (x86) <-- this script expects you to already have installed sp3, thats why it says sp3. It will have all patches from SP3 on up to now. Unless Microsoft recently puts out an update or changes an old one.(which happens often.)
gUiTaR_mIkE, on 07 November 2011 - 07:36 PM, said:
Hi darkarn 
ViroMan summed it up pretty good, if you want more detail read on. I put these stock answers together for my friends who were a bit unsure of AutoPatcher & APUP "best practices". Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official
ViroMan summed it up pretty good, if you want more detail read on. I put these stock answers together for my friends who were a bit unsure of AutoPatcher & APUP "best practices". Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official
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1. Sure, I know that you can put all into one folder but how are you going to apply the patches to the different OSes with the same folder?
2. And I forgot to say that my Win 7 is x64 (that won't make much of a difference, right?)
3. So if I were to install the SPs first then use AutoPatcher, will the OSes be (almost) fully updated?
4. I was wondering why can't we install that many updates at once; did a qchain with Win XP without much problem (and was hoping to be able to do the same with Win 7)
Thanks guys!
ViroMan
08 Nov 2011
3) Yes your os will be 95-100% updated. Minus updates for your individual computer devices.
4) AutoPatcher doesn't use qchain. It just runs each of the updates with the command /noreboot(or something similar) Some updates may demand an reboot no matter what we tell it.
4) AutoPatcher doesn't use qchain. It just runs each of the updates with the command /noreboot(or something similar) Some updates may demand an reboot no matter what we tell it.
_def_x_
08 Nov 2011
re: post #7
A1: I covered this when I mentioned "dependencies". The updates have a target OS, the details are in the .apm file. Listed under WindowsVersion= you will have XP_X86, VISTA_X86, or SEVEN_X64, etc. When you run AutoPatcher the installed OS is detected and only updates that apply to that system should appear in the selection window.
Open a few apm files and have a look. The apm file acts as a pseudo mediator between AutoPatcher and the update, there are a number of criteria in an apm file that will list the update for installation and hopefully show it as installed.
A2: Make a difference regarding what exactly? Get the release that targets your OS, x86 or x64, XP, 7, Vista, etc. You seem to understand more than the average user, if you've been using qchain successfully. AutoPatcher is pretty straight-forward, it really is only slightly more sophisticated than qchain, maybe qchain with a GUI, and a few additional capabilities.
A3: Mostly yes. A good rule of thumb is to access MU/WU to see what shows as missing and report the findings to the forums.
A4: I mentioned from the get go - Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official - nothing's changed. You can do as you see fit, it's your system after all.
A1: I covered this when I mentioned "dependencies". The updates have a target OS, the details are in the .apm file. Listed under WindowsVersion= you will have XP_X86, VISTA_X86, or SEVEN_X64, etc. When you run AutoPatcher the installed OS is detected and only updates that apply to that system should appear in the selection window.
Open a few apm files and have a look. The apm file acts as a pseudo mediator between AutoPatcher and the update, there are a number of criteria in an apm file that will list the update for installation and hopefully show it as installed.
A2: Make a difference regarding what exactly? Get the release that targets your OS, x86 or x64, XP, 7, Vista, etc. You seem to understand more than the average user, if you've been using qchain successfully. AutoPatcher is pretty straight-forward, it really is only slightly more sophisticated than qchain, maybe qchain with a GUI, and a few additional capabilities.
A3: Mostly yes. A good rule of thumb is to access MU/WU to see what shows as missing and report the findings to the forums.
A4: I mentioned from the get go - Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official - nothing's changed. You can do as you see fit, it's your system after all.
darkarn
08 Nov 2011
ViroMan, on 08 November 2011 - 10:05 AM, said:
3) Yes your os will be 95-100% updated. Minus updates for your individual computer devices.
4) AutoPatcher doesn't use qchain. It just runs each of the updates with the command /noreboot(or something similar) Some updates may demand an reboot no matter what we tell it.
4) AutoPatcher doesn't use qchain. It just runs each of the updates with the command /noreboot(or something similar) Some updates may demand an reboot no matter what we tell it.
3. Sounds good to me!
4. ...and that's when all the problems start to come in?
gUiTaR_mIkE, on 08 November 2011 - 11:47 AM, said:
re: post #7
A1: I covered this when I mentioned "dependencies". The updates have a target OS, the details are in the .apm file. Listed under WindowsVersion= you will have XP_X86, VISTA_X86, or SEVEN_X64, etc. When you run AutoPatcher the installed OS is detected and only updates that apply to that system should appear in the selection window.
Open a few apm files and have a look. The apm file acts as a pseudo mediator between AutoPatcher and the update, there are a number of criteria in an apm file that will list the update for installation and hopefully show it as installed.
A2: Make a difference regarding what exactly? Get the release that targets your OS, x86 or x64, XP, 7, Vista, etc. You seem to understand more than the average user, if you've been using qchain successfully. AutoPatcher is pretty straight-forward, it really is only slightly more sophisticated than qchain, maybe qchain with a GUI, and a few additional capabilities.
A3: Mostly yes. A good rule of thumb is to access MU/WU to see what shows as missing and report the findings to the forums.
A4: I mentioned from the get go - Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official - nothing's changed. You can do as you see fit, it's your system after all.
A1: I covered this when I mentioned "dependencies". The updates have a target OS, the details are in the .apm file. Listed under WindowsVersion= you will have XP_X86, VISTA_X86, or SEVEN_X64, etc. When you run AutoPatcher the installed OS is detected and only updates that apply to that system should appear in the selection window.
Open a few apm files and have a look. The apm file acts as a pseudo mediator between AutoPatcher and the update, there are a number of criteria in an apm file that will list the update for installation and hopefully show it as installed.
A2: Make a difference regarding what exactly? Get the release that targets your OS, x86 or x64, XP, 7, Vista, etc. You seem to understand more than the average user, if you've been using qchain successfully. AutoPatcher is pretty straight-forward, it really is only slightly more sophisticated than qchain, maybe qchain with a GUI, and a few additional capabilities.
A3: Mostly yes. A good rule of thumb is to access MU/WU to see what shows as missing and report the findings to the forums.
A4: I mentioned from the get go - Btw, just my opinions - nothin' Official - nothing's changed. You can do as you see fit, it's your system after all.
1. Let me rephrase myself: Can I use that AutoPatcher file for both OSes (should I create it by selecting both OSes)?
2. Thanks; I just want to be sure that the procedures/patches/etc is the same for Win 7 x64 too.
3. Will do (if I ever need to reformat, which is most probably yes)
4. Hmm... I don't know to be honest; just started using Win 7 recently and trying to get used to it...


