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[magicfrizbees]

I never installed any Office Autopatchers - only WinXP(Aug07) - why is the Autopatcher Updater automatically selecting ALL of the Office Autopatcher choices? AP for Office 2007, AP for Office 2003, AP for Office XP (isn't that the same thing as 2003), and SP1 Addon for Office 2007 - all checked. For the record, I do have Office XP, and certainly not 2007, but I don't want to use Autopatcher with it.

Since I did install the Extras(Jul07) and DirectX(Aug07) Addons, they are checked as expected (but maybe they would have been even if I hadn't intalled them already). DotNet Addon is also checked - isn't that for .NET 3.x which I do have?

I guess I'm not sure how the APUP determines what to "select" (based on ?)...vs what Autopatcher determines what to "select" (based on what is or is not already installed)...

[Cyrus]

I couldn't answer the main part of your question, but FYI Office XP = Office 2002, not Office 2003.

[sh1leshk4]

@magicfrizbees

apup currently detects based on the OS that you have and its System Language.
No matter what you have installed, if the condition for the OS and System Language matches, apup (by default) will select all of the "relevant" updates for your system.
Of course, CMIIW, but it's what I've always thought.

Edited by sh1leshk4, 23 January 2008 - 06:39 AM.

[Cristiano]

> apup (by default) will select all of the "relevant" updates for your system.
wrong. those settings are done in another place. in here (pt-br system) it's selected: apup updater, autopatcher engine, ap pt-pt, addon, direct x, .net, office 2007, 2003 enu, office xp, sp1 for office 2007. but please notice that my language is pt-br and it isn't selected. just that is just to illustrate this, since i don't have any version of ms office in my machine (i run BrOffice, or OpenOffice in another contryies) and all office releases are selected by default.

imho, there's only 2 things that shall be selected by default: apup updater and autopatcher engine. all other options shall be selected by the user

[sh1leshk4]

By "relevant" I meant these settings in release.list.

WindowsVersion=
SystemLanguage=

apup (currently) selects the downloads according to that only.
It doesn't check (or care) whether you have Office installed or not.
As long as the OS and System Language is a match, it will be selected.

The reason all Office updates are selected is because they're simply :

WindowsVersion=ANY
SystemLanguage=ANY

The same goes for the add-on packs and .NET.

Again, CMIIW.

[Cristiano]

again, wrong. this has noting to with releases.list or some kind of detection at the user side. besides, a lot of those packages are with the wrong SystemLanguage= set wrong. office 2k3 has an "all" languages tag, but it's for office enu only. same with other packages

SystemLanguage=1046 so, why in hell apup try download 1040?

that question is to Renato or Antonis. i've already asked renato about that some time ago and, so far, no answer. but he is busy since some time ago

[magicfrizbees]

Aha! I think I was operating under the wrong assumption ...

APUP is apparently meant to be run on a "clean" system (i.e. no old Autopatcher) and will create a directory from which the Autopatcher and the latest updates can be applied to that (and other) systems.

I had been attempting to run APUP on my already-installed Aug07Core Autopatcher in order to get the latest updates and add-ons, just like the old method. That is why I wondered why it had auto-selected what it had (since presumably I already had some of that stuff).

What about updates going forward - next week, next month (i.e. we've added the latest Java and Shockwave). Should it always be run "clean" even when APUP was used to generate the previous installation?

Thanks!

[sh1leshk4]

Cristiano, on Jan 24 2008, 02:26 AM, said:

again, wrong. this has noting to with releases.list or some kind of detection at the user side. besides, a lot of those packages are with the wrong SystemLanguage= set wrong. office 2k3 has an "all" languages tag, but it's for office enu only. same with other packages

Sure, I might be wrong, but explain why it selects every Office updates available when you only use one of them.
Besides, for Office, there's already :

OfficeVersion=
OfficeLanguage=

...so why is it that that doesn't seem to work?
Now, it doesn't matter why it doesn't work; why is it there?
For what purpose?

If it's nothing to do with releases.list, then with what?
Why it never selects the Portuguese or Brazilian release of AP in my system?
Why it never selects the Win2k release?

Cristiano, on Jan 24 2008, 02:26 AM, said:

SystemLanguage=1046 so, why in hell apup try download 1040?

Don't use "why in hell" or something like that; it's not polite.

Besides, in releases.list the values for SystemLanguage are "English", "Portuguese", "Italian" and "Brazilian", not their language code.
Maybe that's why it glitches or something; I wouldn't know.
But if apup doesn't care about that parameter (SystemLanguage), then why I never had apup selected them by default?

magicfrizbees, on Jan 24 2008, 02:57 AM, said:

Aha! I think I was operating under the wrong assumption ...

APUP is apparently meant to be run on a "clean" system (i.e. no old Autopatcher) and will create a directory from which the Autopatcher and the latest updates can be applied to that (and other) systems.

I had been attempting to run APUP on my already-installed Aug07Core Autopatcher in order to get the latest updates and add-ons, just like the old method. That is why I wondered why it had auto-selected what it had (since presumably I already had some of that stuff).

...and I think you still "operating under the wrong assumption". =b

Even if you run apup from a new, empty directory it'll still select those updates you consider unneeded.
IIRC, the "old" AP didn't have Office updates included but on a separate installer, and I've never downloaded those.

[magicfrizbees]

I don't know, now I'm not expecting it to behave any differently than it does...

I can uncheck things without too much difficulty...

[sh1leshk4]

magicfrizbees, on Jan 24 2008, 03:53 AM, said:

I can uncheck things without too much difficulty...

There you go. ^^

[Cristiano]

> OfficeVersion=
> OfficeLanguage=
that i too don't have. i run broffice (openoffice) since a couple of years ago and i don't have msoffice in my machine even for medicine

> why is it there?For what purpose?
i really don't know. again, renato and antonis can answer that

> Why it never selects the Portuguese or Brazilian release of AP in my system?
> Why it never selects the Win2k release?
i really don't know. but just to let you know, my system is an original xp oem pt-br (1046), sp2 from microsoft, not the integrated stuff. just to illustrate:

http://i32.tinypic.com/aemadw.gif

and, by the way: the result is always the same, clean machine or not

> it's not polite
sorry. i didn't born in a church and i don't like captions or dubbing in movies. if i'm not mistaken, this expressions appears too often in usa movies to offend someone, but if this offended you, i will not write that again. but again, please, if you didn't write the code for apup, don't argue this things anymore. it looks like debate about chicken and the egg. the only ones that really can explain something about this odd behavior of apup are renato and antonis and i've already asked to renato to undo that default checks for apup, leaving just the first 2, that are related to apup and autopatcher himself. the other ones shall be an user choice. so far, no answer

[sh1leshk4]

Cristiano, on Jan 24 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

> Why it never selects the Portuguese or Brazilian release of AP in my system?
> Why it never selects the Win2k release?
i really don't know. but just to let you know, my system is an original xp oem pt-br (1046), sp2 from microsoft, not the integrated stuff. just to illustrate:

http://i32.tinypic.com/aemadw.gif

and, by the way: the result is always the same, clean machine or not

Same here too.
But in my case apup selected the English WinXP updates by default.

Regarding it selected Portuguese by default is probably due to the "pt" part of pt-br.
The releases.list contains :

WindowsVersion=XP_X86
SystemLanguage=Portuguese

...for Name=AutoPatcher para Windows XP (x86).

Cristiano, on Jan 24 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

> it's not polite
sorry. i didn't born in a church and i don't like captions or dubbing in movies. if i'm not mistaken, this expressions appears too often in usa movies to offend someone, but if this offended you, i will not write that again.

It's not the words; it's the tone.
In any case, if you know it tends to offend someone in the movies you've watched, then don't use it in the first place.

This is supposed to be a formal forum anyway, not some troll-ridden flame forum.

Cristiano, on Jan 24 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

but again, please, if you didn't write the code for apup, don't argue this things anymore. it looks like debate about chicken and the egg. the only ones that really can explain something about this odd behavior of apup are renato and antonis and i've already asked to renato to undo that default checks for apup, leaving just the first 2, that are related to apup and autopatcher himself. the other ones shall be an user choice. so far, no answer

If we both didn't create apup, then I see no reason for you telling me that my reasoning is all wrong either.
Like you, I have no concise info therefore I never claimed I was right, but you had to go and tell I'm wrong, wrong and wrong while you're as clueless as I do.

I don't like this; it's getting more like a fight for the pride rather than just "merely" a silly argument of chicken & egg (which is a silly metaphor anyway).

I'm really sorry for the OP for messing up his thread. =/

[Cristiano]

again, chicken and the egg. that script was sent to renato ages ago and he said nothing about -br. despide of that, the system language isn't brazilian, portuguese or something. also you well now, it's 1033, 1040, 1046

> It's not the words; it's the tone
also the issue about the chicken and the egg is. someone that didn't write the code arguing something that he is not sure about and trying prove an point about something that he doesn't know and is just guessing

> if you know it tends to offend someone in the movies you've watched
that same expression with the f.. word offends. the other one, don't. is just an expression, also you shall be aware of

> but you had to go and tell I'm wrong, wrong and wrong while you're as clueless as I do
so, you know more just because an polite guess? booth may be wrong. do you don't think that guess about something isn't something that is not supposed to do? isn't more safe just said "renato and antonis shall know more about this"? because they know the code? please, i haven't the right to modify that releases.list, also the other release manteiners. so, when we need change something, we need sent that part of code to renato or antonis modify that file. you think that if some sort of - do some mess they don't remove?

> I'm really sorry for the OP
next time, please look at the left side of the screen, right at the side of Group:. some people has Group: Staff in there. so, when when someone with that just said something like "wait to renato and antonis answer that", please do that

[Cyrus]

If I run apup on my x86 machines it selects the normal SP2 updates by default, but if I run it on my x64 machines it does not, it selects the SP2 x64 list BY ITS SELF.

[Erik Ramey]

Cyrus, on Jan 24 2008, 08:37 AM, said:

If I run apup on my x86 machines it selects the normal SP2 updates by default, but if I run it on my x64 machines it does not, it selects the SP2 x64 list BY ITS SELF.

I was just granted rights to the releases.list file. All the addon packs should not "checkmark" for now on

[Cristiano]

Erik, thanks. is possible do the same thing with that selection of Portuguese autopatcher?

anyway, thanks a lot. this shall prevent a lot of not needed downloads just because someone hit the "next" button without read the screen...

[]s

edit: by the way: congratulations for your promotion