I know this is going a bit backwards, but does anyone know what was the last official AutoPatcher for SP2? I am very happy with SP2 and found SP3 slowing my PC down (same with SP2 over SP1 and over vanilla - however vanilla & SP1 are a no no because BlasterWorm can cripple XP upon connecting to internet).
I totally missed the SP2 release in that news item "Windows XP SP2 Re-Released Temporarily" (http://www.autopatch...ed-temporarily/).
If the author could put it up... then why take it down after a certain time limit? Why not just leave it up... as a remorial of what SP2 was like... and for others to check it out?
Anyway, I still have XP SP2 Nov06 & XP SP2 May07. I believe there was Jun or Sep07 for SP2...
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Started by andrewwan1980, Sep 08 2008 01:54 PM
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 03:27 PM
> why take it down after a certain time limit?
because it's pointless. from times to times, an update superseeds another one. if we keep sp2, we also should keep sp1 as well, don't you agree? so, what happends? an endless update? so, to avoid that, we drop service packs also ms does. since ms droped sp2, there's no point about we keep that, even also an memorial, because some people may think that are safe with that and isn't.
about slow down your windows, the most common sense is that the exact opposite happends or, at least, nothing improved or slow down. anyway, you can integrate sp1, sp2 then sp3 and install your windows with that integrated version and you may be surprised with the result. but don't go straight to sp3. integrate the early sps before
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because it's pointless. from times to times, an update superseeds another one. if we keep sp2, we also should keep sp1 as well, don't you agree? so, what happends? an endless update? so, to avoid that, we drop service packs also ms does. since ms droped sp2, there's no point about we keep that, even also an memorial, because some people may think that are safe with that and isn't.
about slow down your windows, the most common sense is that the exact opposite happends or, at least, nothing improved or slow down. anyway, you can integrate sp1, sp2 then sp3 and install your windows with that integrated version and you may be surprised with the result. but don't go straight to sp3. integrate the early sps before
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 04:37 PM
Cristiano, on Sep 8 2008, 04:27 PM, said:
> why take it down after a certain time limit?
because it's pointless. from times to times, an update superseeds another one. if we keep sp2, we also should keep sp1 as well, don't you agree? so, what happends? an endless update? so, to avoid that, we drop service packs also ms does. since ms droped sp2, there's no point about we keep that, even also an memorial, because some people may think that are safe with that and isn't.
about slow down your windows, the most common sense is that the exact opposite happends or, at least, nothing improved or slow down. anyway, you can integrate sp1, sp2 then sp3 and install your windows with that integrated version and you may be surprised with the result. but don't go straight to sp3. integrate the early sps before
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because it's pointless. from times to times, an update superseeds another one. if we keep sp2, we also should keep sp1 as well, don't you agree? so, what happends? an endless update? so, to avoid that, we drop service packs also ms does. since ms droped sp2, there's no point about we keep that, even also an memorial, because some people may think that are safe with that and isn't.
about slow down your windows, the most common sense is that the exact opposite happends or, at least, nothing improved or slow down. anyway, you can integrate sp1, sp2 then sp3 and install your windows with that integrated version and you may be surprised with the result. but don't go straight to sp3. integrate the early sps before
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The old way how AP works was that someone packaged all the updates into one massive EXE. The new AP works by download directly from MS official download site. Right?
Am not sure when the new AP came out.. whether it came out while SP2 of AP was still being used. If so then the author just needs to keep that download list fixed and leave it.
MS didn't drop SP2. If I go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ then it gives me two options:
- Update to SP3
- Look at other SP2 updates
So MS still supports SP2.
Trust me. I have slip-stream versions of SP1, SP1a, SP2 and I tested them all. I found vanilla (no SPs) of Windows XP to be the fastest to load and use. With SP1a, SP2, etc. I can see that Windows is doing a lot of security checking overhead. True it might be for my own good, but a with good Anti-Virus, Firewall, don't need them.
Plus, SP3 is another 300MB+ and it's something I can't do.
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 05:15 PM
> The old way
yes. and since last year, we can't hold that.
> The new AP works by download directly from MS official download site. Right
yes and no. yes, because the updates come from ms. no, because the scripts, modules, etc, comes from our own website. plus, there's a few tools that come from adobe website as well. and no again, because from times to times, ms changes some download locations, breaking our download scripts
> MS didn't drop SP2
since sp3 is downloaded by automatic updates, ms has dropped. but to be true, ms was holding sp2 for a few companies have the proper time to upgrade his systems. as was well noticed, some soundcards may have some issue regarding his drivers and those needed to be updated.
> I found vanilla (no SPs) of Windows XP to be the fastest to load and use
of course. that doesn't have a lot of security measures that was implemented by the sp1, sp2 and sp3. but you already tried disable the new features to see what happends? you may loose windows firewall, but any sp3 will be so fast or faster than sp0. since you run your own firewall, you may disable that without worries.
> SP3 is another 300MB
updates for sp2 have more than 500MB and you don't compain about. plus, if you are an EN windows user, you will not need download .net 3.5, that holds ~350mb size, making updates for sp3 a lot smaller than for sp2 version. plus, you may integrate your windows, clean the features that you don't desire and you will have an windows xp that will run fine even on ancient amd k6 II 500. if i'm not mistaken, the last time that i did an cleanup on windows, i've left it eating just 60MB of ram and was so fast as win 98
. take a look at nlite, if you wish. but you don't need that tool to do the same thing.
besides, there's another issue to be considered about: ms has blackisted a lot of well know pirated windows with sp3. in order to avoid issues with ms, blaming us of support pirated versions of their OSs, sp2 versions should not be supported any longer. as more time those versions are online, more time we may have issues with ms again...
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yes. and since last year, we can't hold that.
> The new AP works by download directly from MS official download site. Right
yes and no. yes, because the updates come from ms. no, because the scripts, modules, etc, comes from our own website. plus, there's a few tools that come from adobe website as well. and no again, because from times to times, ms changes some download locations, breaking our download scripts
> MS didn't drop SP2
since sp3 is downloaded by automatic updates, ms has dropped. but to be true, ms was holding sp2 for a few companies have the proper time to upgrade his systems. as was well noticed, some soundcards may have some issue regarding his drivers and those needed to be updated.
> I found vanilla (no SPs) of Windows XP to be the fastest to load and use
of course. that doesn't have a lot of security measures that was implemented by the sp1, sp2 and sp3. but you already tried disable the new features to see what happends? you may loose windows firewall, but any sp3 will be so fast or faster than sp0. since you run your own firewall, you may disable that without worries.
> SP3 is another 300MB
updates for sp2 have more than 500MB and you don't compain about. plus, if you are an EN windows user, you will not need download .net 3.5, that holds ~350mb size, making updates for sp3 a lot smaller than for sp2 version. plus, you may integrate your windows, clean the features that you don't desire and you will have an windows xp that will run fine even on ancient amd k6 II 500. if i'm not mistaken, the last time that i did an cleanup on windows, i've left it eating just 60MB of ram and was so fast as win 98
. take a look at nlite, if you wish. but you don't need that tool to do the same thing.besides, there's another issue to be considered about: ms has blackisted a lot of well know pirated windows with sp3. in order to avoid issues with ms, blaming us of support pirated versions of their OSs, sp2 versions should not be supported any longer. as more time those versions are online, more time we may have issues with ms again...
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 05:38 PM
Just to add a couple of points to the discussion:
1) The last release of the "old" style AutoPatcher was in August 2007 (AutoPatcher_WinXP_Aug07_x86_ENU_Core.exe).
Anything after that is a fake or pirate version. don't trust it. Don't even download it.
2) The last release of the "new" style AutoPatcher was in June 2008
Support for earlier Service Packs has been dropped because there are just not enough hours in the week to support everything for everybody.
Work it out for yourself: all currently supported Service Packs for Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 2003, Vista and Windows 2008 in 32-bit, plus Windows XP, Windows 2003, Vista and Windows 2008 in 64-bit, then multiply that by the different languages supported, needs the resources of Microsoft to run. Last time I checked, that was well over 100GB of updates for 32-bit alone -- and that didn't include most of the languages.
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Edit: corrected last para.
1) The last release of the "old" style AutoPatcher was in August 2007 (AutoPatcher_WinXP_Aug07_x86_ENU_Core.exe).
Anything after that is a fake or pirate version. don't trust it. Don't even download it.
2) The last release of the "new" style AutoPatcher was in June 2008
Support for earlier Service Packs has been dropped because there are just not enough hours in the week to support everything for everybody.
Work it out for yourself: all currently supported Service Packs for Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 2003, Vista and Windows 2008 in 32-bit, plus Windows XP, Windows 2003, Vista and Windows 2008 in 64-bit, then multiply that by the different languages supported, needs the resources of Microsoft to run. Last time I checked, that was well over 100GB of updates for 32-bit alone -- and that didn't include most of the languages.
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Edit: corrected last para.
Edited by James, 08 September 2008 - 05:50 PM.
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