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[click-click]

gUiTaR_mIkE, on 21 July 2010 - 05:34 AM, said:

Just wondering, did anyone ever figure out what the difference is between the file that has the -s and the file that doesn't?

I noticed the new Java file is minus the -s, the old link still has it -> jre-6u21-windows-i586-s.exe

-s version includes online installer of Google Toolbar or suggestions
about downloading OpenOffice (-s = suggest).

download from developer site for non-s version

Edited by click-click, 21 July 2010 - 10:27 PM.

[Cristiano]

interesting. but when doing an silent install, it doesn't install any toolbar. at least, i never noticed that. the infos about openoffice booth versions has, i'm just not sure about toolbars

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[_def_x_]

...speaking of Java, anyone notice this? Go ahead, click the link http://java.sun.com/

The Sun Java AddOn Pack may need some fixin, at least renamin'.

[Cristiano]

to Oracle? if i'm not mistaken, they own Sun. but you are right. the next update will reflect that

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[DesertJerry]

Java SE Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 update 22 32-bit and 64-bit available

[Cristiano]

done. first post updated with the modules and the links, but just in case:
JRE 6u22 x86

JRE 6u22 x64

booth executables shall be saved into modules\AddOns\SunJava_x86_files

modules:
jre_x86 module
jre_x64 module

just don't forget to erase the old versions

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[click-click]

Hi Cristiano,

would it not be better to make the modules self-extracting in case a user doesn't have 7-zip
installed?

[Cristiano]

isn't an bad idea, but the self-extracted version becomes too big to be attached. also, the attachment system gives an idea about the usage of those modules. but as an alternative, attached to this are the same modules, in zip format

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[bizzybody]

If you do not want MSN Bing toolbar crammed onto your PC without your permission, do not use the Java updater to download and install JRE 6 Update 22. It just did that on one of my PCs. Use the full installer download.

Grrrrr! Some software packager heads need some cracking together... Never *thunk* push *whack* crap *squash* onto *owwwwww* computers *please stop!* without *we promise we won't!* asking *never! not ever again!* permission!

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If you do not want MSN Bing toolbar crammed onto your PC without your permission, do not use the Java updater to download and install JRE 6 Update 22. It just did that on one of my PCs. Use the full installer download.

If you use the recommended AutoPatcher method - the full installer - this should not be a problem.

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Grrrrr! Some software packager heads need some cracking together... Never *thunk* push *whack* crap *squash* onto *owwwwww* computers *please stop!* without *we promise we won't!* asking *never! not ever again!* permission!

Huh

[bizzybody]

I copied the rti and apm files for the latest Java version to their correct places under my AutoPatcher AddOns folder. I then ran apup and selected the Extras Addon pack.

It did not download the latest JRE. It still has 6 update 18.

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@bizzybody

You need to follow the link given on the first page and download yourself the latest Java and place it in the folder - \modules\AddOns\SunJava_x86_files - this is for x86. You need to delete all older versions of Java in the folder. Also, overwrite the .apm and .rti files with the new files as well. I like to delete the old files by hand personally - the old .exe, .apm, and .rti just in case the new files names are slightly different - in this case they wont get deleted and the release will be unofficial.

Java has made it impossible to grab a reusable link this is why the manual approach is needed - for now anyway. Unless you need to have the latest Java in your AutoPatcher release you could simply download the full installer, install using the switch in the .apm file for a silent install, and reboot when installation finishes.

[_def_x_]

If I copy the latest Java to my C:\ drive this is the full command using Start - Run

C:\jre-6u22-windows-i586-s.exe /s IEXPLORER=1 MOZILLA=1 REBOOT=ReallySuppress

This will perform a silent install. You want to reboot when the install process is finished, the .apm file waits 120 seconds to complete.

[DesertJerry]

I noticed on the Sun web site when I downloaded JRE-6u22 they recommended that users of 64-bit operating systems; XP Pro x64 and Win7 64-bit, download and install both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the Sun Java runtime. This will then install both versions so that if the user starts either the 32-bit or the 64-bit version of Internet Explorer the updated version of the Java runtime would also be available.

Accepting that recommendation as valid I would now recommend AutoPatcher's APM files be edited so that if the user runs AutoPatcher in a 64-bit environment both versions of the Java runtime are listed as installed or not installed with the option to install both.

Also, this same thinking and procedure applies to the Adobe Flash Players - in a 64-bit OS both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions should be installed - for the same reason given above.

Edited by DesertJerry, 23 October 2010 - 02:44 AM.

[Cristiano]

in fact, the x64 version is only required if the user runs an browser that is x64. so far i know, the default browser under x64 systems is still x86. also, if we deploy both versions in the same module, someone could say that we are deploying things without the knowledge of the user. by me, i never will do that. as for flash player x64, it is still preview release

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[DesertJerry]

Cristiano, on 23 October 2010 - 10:43 AM, said:

in fact, the x64 version is only required if the user runs an browser that is x64. so far i know, the default browser under x64 systems is still x86. also, if we deploy both versions in the same module, someone could say that we are deploying things without the knowledge of the user. by me, i never will do that. as for flash player x64, it is still preview release[]s

In a 64-bit system there are two browsers installed: one in \Program Files\Internet Explorer (the 64-bit version) and one in \Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer (the 32-bit version). Users are capable of selecting either for use. I'm not sure why you say the 32-bit is the default - I have not had it act that way. If the 64-bit version has been invoked and the user selects Microsoft Update - an error nessage appears saying to switch to the 32-bit version - is that what you're assuming is the default?

Anyway, because both versions are available to any user than knows where to look it only makes sense to offer both Java runtimes - just list them as separate items: 32-bit for one and 64-bit for the other.

Same for Adobe Flash if/when it goes final for the 64-bit version.

[Cristiano]

> I'm not sure why you say the 32-bit is the default
because the one that runs when you hit any link in a software (like msn) is the x86 version. also, the one that has the shortcuts set by default is the x86 version. in fact, x64 systems comes with both versions, but if you wanna run the x64 version, you have to look for it, since the one that is under everyone face is the x86 version

> is that what you're assuming is the default?
that also

> just list them as separate items: 32-bit for one and 64-bit for the other
for sure. that is the way that is being done. the only one thing that happens is that the user has to select it to be installed. so, if the user has an x64 system and doesn't wish deploy the x64 version for certain softwares, he will not. by other hand, if an user that is running x64 and is running an x64 browser wishes deploy both, then all that the user needs to do is check an extra module to be installed

> Same for Adobe Flash if/when it goes final for the 64-bit version
for sure

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[click-click]

Is there an AP download for java6u23?

6u23 has been out for a while now. The final ended up being build 05

Edited by click-click, 01 December 2010 - 11:34 PM.

[_def_x_]

hmm, I'm still getting v6u22 here - http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp - are you sure that is a final release and not still beta?

[click-click]

I guess Sun is taking their time updating the website. I believe B05 is the one that is supposed to be released. I did not realize that Sun had not updated yet. Next time, I hope I can remember to check the official download site.